Kipawa Fishing Forum

General Category => Boat Discussion => Topic started by: Hodgey1 on August 15, 2017, 09:09:54 PM

Title: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 15, 2017, 09:09:54 PM
I have over many years, sworn I would never own a boat, ever! My father kinda ruined my boating life in my late teens/early twenties. He had a 26' cruiser that we half A'd fished out of on Lake Erie. We did ok trolling for walleye which almost always floated up as near lifeless logs due to being caught at depth on a down rigger.

I learned to hate all of it, waiting to put in water, parking, loading the boat, then unloading the boat, constant maintenance, winterizing, cover off, cover on, battery issues, washing the bohemith and on and on.  He was always anal and made it no fun in the end for me....and why I never, not once in the last 30years, not even once, thought about owning a boat!

Then........I went to Kipawa for a week and crazy sh-t has been running threw my head :o

I'm not saying I'm gonna run out tomorrow and lay down $30k on a boat, it's definitely not how I roll. I'm a thinker contemplator, prior to ever making any purchases, particularly large ones. What I'm saying is, Kipawa has made me rethink my entire fishing life and rethink my whole, bad boat attitude. I'm not over stating it, but I really, really enjoyed fishing Kipawa and throughly enjoyed cruising to the next fishing spot in that tiny ass little boat.

Here's where things went sideways, I started thinking about a more comfortable seats, a Bimini top to keep my white skin from burning, a live well for leeches, better fish finder, trolling motor with anchor technology, lights, hey a beer holder and so forth. ;D

Let me say in advance, I know all of the questions and answers are subjective, but I have been impressed with the knowledge here on the board. So here's my question to the forum, if a guy wanted to go to the likes of Kipawa a couple times a year and also, possibly dip it into "when calm" Lake Erie, for a day of smallies now and again. What should he be looking for in fishing boat?

Size?
Make?
Motor size?
Motor Brand?
Used ?
Trailer brands?

General thoughts on pricing on a good used, of whatever you suggest? I would definitely want it to be foremost, Kipawa freindly, even if I'd have to sacrifice skipping Lake Erie

P.S. Please don't hate on me for being a prior boat hater. :D
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on August 16, 2017, 12:39:04 PM
Set the boat up the way you feel best, makes fishing a lot more enjoyable.

17 to 18 ft.
Alumacraft, a few other good brands but quality right now goes to Alumacraft.
90 to 115 is perfect
All motor brands are good these days. Prefer Japanese but Merc parts are readily available.
Lots of good used boats. Check walleye central website.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 16, 2017, 02:02:01 PM
I see different configurations of fishing boats that look like a platform up front to fish from the bow. Is that a preferential feature on a boat specifically for use in Kipawa? 
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: fishtildark on August 16, 2017, 02:36:42 PM
I am still chuckling about the boating as a kid... we spent a lot of time at the Marina, no matter which lake it was.. Battery, water pump,  fuel line and pump..It was all part of the experience. Even though the happiest two days for a boat owner are the day they buy and the day they sell... I have one. but it doubles as ski/fish/ boat and wouldn't consider taking it to Canada. I like Canuckbass 'advice but also like princecraft and , if I were buying strictly for a Canadian fishing boat I would look for a 16' Naden and put a 20 +/- Yamaha or Honda on it. Guess they now have to be used as I think Naden went out of business..
As to the platform... probably wouldn't mix with waves and my Molson or Labatt's well.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on August 16, 2017, 03:36:31 PM
Naden certainly is durable, but I found they track awkward, weird front end on them.

For my style of fishing, certainly always a bow deck with foot controlled trolling motor. Big screen sonar/ gps up front. It's all about boat control.
Waves... good for 6 footers with a butt seat.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: fishtildark on August 16, 2017, 03:43:12 PM
By "Tracking awkward " are you referring to when you are using a trolling motor or cruising? If trolling motor , I never would have experienced that.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on August 16, 2017, 04:00:42 PM
By "Tracking awkward " are you referring to when you are using a trolling motor or cruising? If trolling motor , I never would have experienced that.

Cruising. The front end and sides are shaped sharp, they track on an angle almost. If that explains it.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 16, 2017, 08:56:58 PM
I took my wife out tonight for a very extravagant dinner "foot long & Cone" and I popped the big question..... so honey..... what are your thoughts on a fishing boat.... cricket noise................. then, then, then she says..........I don't know 🤔 What for?   ;D

This is movement in the right direction boys, trust me. She didn't say no!
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 08:01:41 AM
Here's what I've learned so far in my boat investigation. I'm going to begin shopping in the 18' range, preferably with a designation/designed for fish/ski purpose. I'm a snowmobiler, so I've learned to love the durability of my 4 stroke Yamaha's, so I want a 4 stroke motor. I've had many PM's with advice, so I feel like I have some brands to look at also. Is the 18' going to be somewhat adequate for a dip into lake Erie on a descent day?
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: T-Bone on August 17, 2017, 09:06:17 AM
You crack me up @Hodgey1...but I like the way you think.

If I were buying a fishing boat, especially for Kipawa or like applications, there's no doubt this is what I'd get. And who knows...maybe before I see you next I will.  ;D

http://www.lundboats.com/boat-models/1800-alaskan/
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 09:36:50 AM
For my style of fishing, certainly always a bow deck

Does bow deck mean, one that has a seat at the very front or with a flat platform where a seat can be mounted?
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: WillageD on August 17, 2017, 09:38:40 AM
Hodgey- I am currently looking for the same sort of thing. Currently I have a 2006 Lowe FishingMachine 165 (16.5 footer)... it's a side console, 50 Hp Evinrude Etec, Bimini top, Lowrance sonar with DI and GPS and a Minn Kota Ipilot (spot lock, cruise control,etc) bolted on the front. I bought the boat used 3 seasons ago and it has certainly met my needs for fishing, but with a growing family. I am looking to upgrade to an 18 footer with a full windshield, rear bench and bigger engine. I think that set up will be more bersitile for fishing and family fun. In my research for an upgrade I've narrowed down my preferences to a few models that will check my boxes but still be somewhat fiscally responsible. My number one choice would be a Lund Impact 1675 or 1775 with a 90 or 115. Second option would be Crestliner Fishhawk 1750 with a 90 or 115, third would be a Pricecraft Sport 172 or 177 with a 90 or 115, and finally would also consider a Alumacraft with similar features to the previously listed boats. You mention a good Sonar and intelligent GOS trolling motor as wants of yours- don't sacrifice those things- THEY PUT FISH IN THE BOAT. After I added my Lowrance sonar and Ipilot trolling motor to my boat, I became a much better fisherman. Some items catch fish, some items catch the fisherman... those two things catch fish!! Good luck on your search!!
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: fishtildark on August 17, 2017, 09:39:04 AM
Have to say T-Bone has good taste in boats. the Lunds are great and probably worth the money if its going to be used. The vanilla fishing version ( much lower on the line than the one T-Bone linked to) is deeper than most others I have been in and probably needs floor boards .I also know the Bush country cargo/passenger lund has been around a long time and lasted through 2 or 3 engines.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 09:39:34 AM
I am still chuckling about the boating as a kid...

You crack me up @Hodgey1...but I like the way you think.

Glad someone gets my sence of humor threw type! ;D
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 09:58:17 AM
If I were buying a fishing boat, especially for Kipawa or like applications, there's no doubt this is what I'd get.

http://www.lundboats.com/boat-models/1800-alaskan/

That is one sweet boat! Rhybak sent me a pic of his new Lund, it looked beautiful and like a perfect set-up to fish Kipawa.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 10:05:24 AM
My number one choice would be a Lund Impact 1675 or 1775 with a 90 or 115. Second option would be Crestliner Fishhawk 1750 with a 90 or 115, third would be a Pricecraft Sport 172 or 177 with a 90 or 115, and finally would also consider a Alumacraft with similar features to the previously listed boats. You mention a good Sonar and intelligent GOS trolling motor as wants of yours- don't sacrifice those things- THEY PUT FISH IN THE BOAT. After I added my Lowrance sonar and Ipilot trolling motor to my boat, I became a much better fisherman.

Good info WillD. The GPS trolling really sounds like a great feature.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on August 17, 2017, 10:57:51 AM
For my style of fishing, certainly always a bow deck

Does bow deck mean, one that has a seat at the very front or with a flat platform where a seat can be mounted?

A deck to stand on, I stand 90% of my fishing.
Kipawa is easy fishing so a butt chair can be added for those trips.
I'm a bass angler first, Kipawa is for fun.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on August 17, 2017, 11:04:04 AM
Huge point on GPS and sonar plus trolling motor with spot lock. Learn to use all three and a bullet proof plan for Kipawa.
If in a budget, I'd spend less on a hull and put the extra $$ into the electronics.
Just like computers, most Anglers don't use their electronics to full capacity.
Number one thing, get it out of AUTO mode, dial in your sonar and they are gold.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: T-Bone on August 17, 2017, 11:16:17 AM
Mr. Rhybak's boat is the cost of a decent home in most areas....  ;D. But he uses it almost every weekend...so it  makes sense for him.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on August 17, 2017, 11:29:46 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Greg on August 17, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
Good advice T-Bone just gave - ask yourself how much do you want to spend... I was thinking the same thing - been very busy the last couple of days with work with no time to reply.

Hodgey - Here are my thoughts... How much will you use it?  think about setting your budget with this as a significant influencing factor... I got rid of a 17 foot Princecraft PRO 166 with a 90HP that I took to Kipawa for years - it was a great boat and served it's purpose very well.  But I wanted something newer, more powerful, and a better fishing boat as I am going to start doing more local bass tournaments and I use my boat every weekend (and some week nights) on the Ottawa river.   I bought a stratos 486 with a 150hp evinrude.   Did I make compromises - yes, got rid of fancy car as I was no longer travelling so much, got rid of motorcycles (I found myself riding along in the summer wishing I was fishing - that's when you know a move is necessary) and I got rid of snowmobiles (weather in this area is getting to a point where we had some seasons only 8 weeks long, and that was with a thaw week of freezing rain in the middle which made the trails horrible).


I also endorse CanuckBass' comments about giving yourself room ($2000 is a good target to stay under) for a couple of decent fish-finders (one with GPS/large screen at the drivers console) and one at the front with the transducer in the electric motor shaft.  And a decent electric motor - a boat of this size (16 to 18 feet) usually requires a power electric that requires 2 batteries - and remember, if you buy used, get the age of the batteries - it is an easy thing to do to buy a used boat and require 3 new batteries a week later - cha-ching $$$ - happened to a friend of mine and 3 batteries cost $600.   I don't have iPilot on my electric (I borrowed one in June and we used the anchor mode constantly, it is a fantastic addition).  I wish I had iPilot - I can upgrade for $500, but will make do without it (...for now).   I still have to buy some drift socks and a few other accessories that I feel I am missing - I checked into a power pole - wow, didn't realize those are in the $$thousands$$.

And don't forget all your safety stuff (life jackets, oar, first aid kit, fire extinguisher, flashlight, anchor, etc. ) - if it is not included in the boat - best to budget $500 for that.

Just some of my thoughts - I am on my 3rd boat now, and probably my last (...the stratos is my forever boat :) ) and I have helped a buddy buy a boat last year (used 10 year old bow-rider) and helped another fried buy a brand new 16 foot aluminum with a 20hp 4-stroke and all the accessories and both are happy with what they spent and what they got and coincidentally, they both spent the same amount (right around $15k in total).  If I had to pick which one of these I would buy, it would be the 16 foot aluminum with the 20hp - simply because it targets fishing more (it has a live well) - I would add some comfortable seats and rod holders, etc.

Good luck - let me know if you have any questions.
Greg
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 01:48:11 PM
Thanks Greg for all of the great information.

You hit a nerve with the "how much" are you going to use it  :( :-[   My life is more than a little hectic right now and time to run off fishing will probable be at a minimum until life settles down a bit here. I have an elderly parent I've been caring for. That may be part of the fantasy issue, while I was fishing in Kipawa, I had nothing to deal with other than, how much beer do I need in the boat tonight. No, "I need run to the Store", no "cell phone calls", no "work issues", no "emergency room visits", no "a lot of things that are driving me crazy right now".

Like I mentioned early on, fishing Kipawa has reenergized my sleeping/waning fishing gene. I USED TO........... fish a lot and really enjoy it. I'm 51 and the past 10 years, I've only fly fished a few times for steel head at home here, no other fishing :-[. Age has a way of deadening the drive and fun out of a lot of things......... Fishing Kipawa reawakened something missing. Its been along time since something has gotten me excited and not being able to wait to do it again....  :D

So having emptied my life out to people I haven't met  :o, I guess this is all a bit cathartic.

The how much use "Dreams/Hopes": Two trips annually to Kipawa, one with my Son-in law, one with my wife. Then try and use here at home atleast two or three time a year. I used to really enjoy fishing for small mouth in lake Erie, so I would like to do that again. I guess when laid out like that, it would make more sense to rent than laid down serious jack for 5 trips a year? ???

The other part of the equation is, I now have two grandsons and I'd love to be the one to create Kipawa memories for them. I think having a comfy/safe boat to fish with them would go a long way to improving their experience. Lastly, I'm way down on the whole Disney type vacation thing for kids, I'd much rather put Disney vacation money into boat/fishing trips with my grand children.

Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Greg on August 17, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
Yep, your place in life is always a significant factor... but here is what I will respond to that... there never is a perfect time, make the time.  The grandsons... wow - make that happen.  The first time in years, my son (soon to be 22) has expressed "I am coming to Kipawa next year no matter what" - he hasn't been there in 8 or 9 years - T-Bone and Marco (who you met) probably remember jumping of the cliff in front of the lodge with my kids while I went out in my boat and took pictures.

I am in that happy spot in life, kids finished all their sports and in university and have their own vehicles (ok, I bought cheap older cars for them, but it keeps them out of my hair) and they have jobs and busy social lives and my parents are healthy - I don't have to many weekend responsibilities any more - other than recording and watching F1 races, and UFC fights.

My advice... pull the trigger... make the time and enjoy it... the grandsons will love you for it.

Oh... as for other costs, I forgot to mention... annual costs of owning a boat: Winterization, storage, spring tune-up, insurance (budget $2k per year on high end).  If you do your own Winterization and storage, you just saved $1k.

BOAT is just an acronym for "Bring On Another Thousand$$$"
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 02:05:12 PM
BOAT is just an acronym for "Bring On Another Thousand$$$"

 ;D
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Ozmo on August 17, 2017, 03:46:08 PM
Hodgey, I had a 16' deep v bass tracker with a 40 HP mercury that I took out on lake Erie a few years ago. It was a nice day and I had zero problems. I think on Erie 20 down to 16 it doesn't matter if the lake gets nasty. At the time it was a 9 year old boat in good condition and I paid just a shade under 5k for it. Good luck on your search.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: limacharley on August 17, 2017, 03:56:37 PM
Ask yourself:

-----If you're going to Kipawa twice a year and Lake Erie ....maybe six times a year, does it make sense to spend 30k?

Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 17, 2017, 10:16:42 PM
Ask yourself:
--If you're going to Kipawa twice a year and Lake Erie ....maybe six times a year, does it make sense to spend 30k?

The answer to that is a definite no. My thoughts right now are to look for something used in the $8k to $15k range. I know even that is a lot for the amount of use. That is the part that I need to weigh and measure.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on August 18, 2017, 06:51:12 AM
We have a 16 foot tinner with 30 hp and it works perfectly for Kipawa.
Fishes great for two people and if jigging a third person no problem.
We also make the 9 mile run to the island through rough water no problem.
Great size boat to tow and safe for Kipawa.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 18, 2017, 07:55:22 AM
We have a 16 foot tinner

Tinner ? Is that a brand or just that it is Aluminum?
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 18, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Anyone know the durability and construction of Smoker Craft? There's a 2010 18' 182 Pro Mag Aluminum,  With a Yamaha 150TXR - 4 Stroke motor, for sale close by. Thoughts?

https://erie.craigslist.org/boa/d/smoker-craft-pro-mag-182/6259306198.html (https://erie.craigslist.org/boa/d/smoker-craft-pro-mag-182/6259306198.html)
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 29, 2017, 07:40:25 PM
I will know for sure Friday, when I'm actually towing her home, but I have finalized a deal on a boat  :D

Specifics: 2013 Lund 1650 Rebel XL with 60hp mercury 4 stroke.

Can't wait to take her for a spin and get her wet in Kipawa!
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on August 29, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
Perfect boat for Kipawa.
I'd put a Minn Kota with iPilot with anchor mode, perfect set up and holds you right on your fishing spot.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 30, 2017, 08:44:07 AM
Perfect boat for Kipawa.
I'd put a Minn Kota with iPilot with anchor mode, perfect set up and holds you right on your fishing spot.
Thanks, cant wait to use her. It comes with a Minn Kota Power drive 2,  that I do not believe can be retrofitted with iPilot, but I am not sure about that.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Greg on August 30, 2017, 12:54:48 PM
I have a power drive 2 also - and my sales men for my boat told me I could upgrade to the GPS head (to get anchor mode) for about $500.  Let me know if you hear something different as I would love that as an option, maybe someday.

Greg

Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 30, 2017, 08:44:09 PM
I have a power drive 2 also - and my sales men for my boat told me I could upgrade to the GPS head (to get anchor mode) for about $500.  Let me know if you hear something different as I would love that as an option, maybe someday.

Greg

Greg, what year is yours? Minn Kota's retrofit kit for iPilot upgrade says

"Compatible with legacy PowerDrive V2 bow-mount trolling motor models that have been manufactured in 2016 or earlier"

Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Greg on August 30, 2017, 09:14:51 PM
I'll have to check it out - not sure what year it was manufactured.  It came with the boat, and was installed this spring... but who knows how long it was in their shop.

Thx for info.

Greg
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: WillageD on August 30, 2017, 10:01:33 PM
I will know for sure Friday, when I'm actually towing her home, but I have finalized a deal on a boat  :D

Specifics: 2013 Lund 1650 Rebel XL with 60hp mercury 4 stroke.

Can't wait to take her for a spin and get her wet in Kipawa!

Awesome boat! you'll be real happy with that.

As for the trolling motor talk, my trolling motor is a Power Drive 2 and it has Ipilot- it came factory with Ipilot, so I'm not 100% about adding it on later, but the Power Drive2 does have Ipilot capabilities, FYI.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on August 31, 2017, 09:25:17 PM
Awesome boat! you'll be real happy with that.

Thanks! Tomorrow's the big day
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RoK on September 01, 2017, 10:36:47 AM
 Fishing Kipawa reawakened something missing. Its been along time since something has gotten me excited and not being able to wait to do it again....  :D

I echo that....My buddies and I have been going to Kipawa for 17 years. Only once a year, and throughout the year every time we get  together we cant stop talking about next trip.

Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 01, 2017, 03:28:10 PM
Fishing Kipawa reawakened something missing. Its been along time since something has gotten me excited and not being able to wait to do it again....  :D

I echo that....My buddies and I have been going to Kipawa for 17 years. Only once a year, and throughout the year every time we get  together we cant stop talking about next trip.

There isn't many things in life that trigger those kinda reactions, kipawa has. Guess I'm not the only one  :D My son Inlaw "Chad" and I talk about next year, every time I see him.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 01, 2017, 03:45:18 PM
It's official, I now own a sweet boat for Kipawa! Picked it up today, couldn't be much happier. Well, maybe if I could get away next week with it to fish Kipawa, would make me happier?  :D. I will attempt to load a couple pics, but for whatever reason, this site has picture posting isssues?...?

Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 01, 2017, 03:51:32 PM
Ok, pictures were a no go again. Here's a link to the pictures on google drive.

Boat pictures link:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51VQmNqRsOyNmlJYjlIaWo0WDQ (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B51VQmNqRsOyNmlJYjlIaWo0WDQ)
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Greg on September 01, 2017, 05:28:53 PM
Looks in great shape - that will do fine on Kipawa!  Congrats...
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 01, 2017, 08:51:18 PM
Thanks Greg, the previous owner took very good care of it. Your input was appreciated along the way to my purchase.

As a side note, you had mentioned the expense of goodies that maybe needed ad up quick.The owner gave me all his goodies ;D Net, flares, fire ex, 4 pole holders, extra prop, two covers, 4 life jackets, bumpers, docking ropes and transom straps.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: smitty55 on September 01, 2017, 10:56:48 PM
Yea, nice looking ride for sure Hodgey. WTG on your purchase. You'll be one happy lad. Any thoughts on mounting a downrigger for Laker fishing? They do work well at Kipawa. Also gives you the option to fish them, or even Salmon anywhere you want.

Cheers
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 02, 2017, 08:12:59 AM
Yea, nice looking ride for sure Hodgey. Any thoughts on mounting a downrigger for Laker fishing? They do work well at Kipawa.
Thanks S55!

I haven't had a chance yet to dig into them, but my hope is to add two manual operated ones,  particularly if they somehow can be mounted using the "Sports Track" system. I'm felling a little squeamish about drilling holes at the current moment into my new vessel, but that will fade with time.

Anyone here know about mounting DR's to sports track?
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 02, 2017, 10:13:18 AM
Quick search on google I came up with multiple manufactures of downrigger mounts for the sports track system.

Boat= bring on another thousand  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: BH on September 03, 2017, 09:18:14 AM
Greetings from CLE since I notice the OH registration!  Nice looking boat!  Have to ask, how happy was the seller to get rid of the boat?  Was it really his second happiest day?  Thanks for sharing your story and hope you make the time to use your new boat frequently.   
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 03, 2017, 10:26:54 AM
Greetings from CLE since I notice the OH registration!  Nice looking boat!  Have to ask, how happy was the seller to get rid of the boat?  Was it really his second happiest day?  Thanks for sharing your story and hope you make the time to use your new boat frequently.   

Thanks BH. I purchased from a single retired fella, outside Youngstown. He was searching for retirement activities and tried fishing and decided it wasn't for him. He was taking the money to buy some sort of boat that only needs 6" of water to run and uses a jet ski motor?  So, yes he was glad, because he now had money to buy another boat ;D

I am going to make time to use it, for fear of my wife's rath  8)
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Greg on September 03, 2017, 05:44:16 PM
Getting all those "goodies" thrown in definitely made it a sweet deal... WOW!
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on September 03, 2017, 10:08:51 PM
Perfect boat, sonar and trolling motor is a good set up.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 04, 2017, 09:01:09 AM
Perfect boat, sonar and trolling motor is a good set up.
Thanks Canuck! Taking her out for a test drive today.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: WillageD on September 04, 2017, 09:55:29 AM
Perfect boat, sonar and trolling motor is a good set up.
Thanks Canuck! Taking her out for a test drive today.

Enjoy! Pictures look great!
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 04, 2017, 02:15:44 PM
Enjoy! Pictures look great!
Thanks Will!

I Took it out today, just to check out her sea worthiness, electronics and such. Motor ran great, came up on plane no problem. Live bait well filled and aerated. Garmin works well, going to need some time boning up on its uses. All in all, one nice boat that needs to get some fishing time in Kipawa. Loading and unloading was pretty simple also.

Question, it has a Mercury 2013 60hp 4stroke. Am I to assume that the full throttle position is adjusted properly as to not over rev the motor? .......Being new to boat/motors what should the maximum rpm' be for this motor for sustained full throttle? Is it the full throttle position or is it best to keep it below a certain rpm? I think I saw 7000 rpm's at full throttle position, but not positive, I was on small lake so traffic had my attention.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on September 04, 2017, 04:30:44 PM
I've never heard of adjusting the throttle. Most motors you don't want to go over 6000 rpm, most boats run wide open throttle 5400 to 5600 rpm.
Would be a good question for local Merc Marine Tech.
If you hit 7000 rpm I'm sure incorrect prop on boat or previous owner preferred smaller prop for quicker hole shot acceleration.

Changing props is a whole other novel... Lol. Bigger prop means less lower end power but faster top end. Never buy a prop without water testing on your boat.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 04, 2017, 06:56:32 PM
I've never heard of adjusting the throttle. Most motors you don't want to go over 6000 rpm, most boats run wide open throttle 5400 to 5600 rpm.
Would be a good question for local Merc Marine Tech.
If you hit 7000 rpm I'm sure incorrect prop on boat or previous owner preferred smaller prop for quicker hole shot acceleration.

Changing props is a whole other novel... Lol. Bigger prop means less lower end power but faster top end. Never buy a prop without water testing on your boat.

I will have to take it out for another run where it's less congested. I was only able to run full throttle position a couple of quick bursts. This lake "Edinboro" is tiny and way congested.  Next week I plan on getting it out on bigger water and check the rpms. Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on September 05, 2017, 08:23:38 AM
Adjust your trim when at full throttle.
To much work ( strain) on the engine if the trim is not adjusted

That might be why you have the high RPM.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: limacharley on September 05, 2017, 08:36:53 AM
Nice boat Hodgey.
I have electric down riggers and they are an easy set up.  Visit a Lund dealer and they'll recommend what you need to set up electric.
Perfect for trolling those huge Erie walleye or Kip lakers.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: T-Bone on September 05, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
It's official, I now own a sweet boat for Kipawa! Picked it up today, couldn't be much happier. Well, maybe if I could get away next week with it to fish Kipawa, would make me happier? 

Look at you go, Hodge! Wow! No more wobbles and breaking rods...  ;D

Man gets bit by Kipawa...buys boat. You're a man of action....nice work. Can't wait to see it next July...

T-Bone.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 05, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
Adjust your trim when at full throttle.
To much work ( strain) on the engine if the trim is not adjusted
That might be why you have the high RPM.

I will try adjusting trim and pay closer attention to the rpm's next time out. I don't want to damage the motor doing something stupid on my part. I did adjust the trim yesterday to bring the bow down,but  like I said, traffic on the water on a holiday had me paying attention to many things. I'm guessing its fine and that the rpm's where 6,000 and not 7,000.... I hope.

Nice boat Hodgey.
I have electric down riggers and they are an easy set up.  Visit a Lund dealer and they'll recommend what you need to set up electric.
Perfect for trolling those huge Erie walleye or Kip lakers.

Thanks Lima! Down riggers are probably going to have to wait at least until next season  :( Wife says "Down what's?" and "How much?"  ;D

Look at you go, Hodge! Wow! No more wobbles and breaking rods...  ;D

Man gets bit by Kipawa...buys boat. You're a man of action....nice work. Can't wait to see it next July...
T-Bone.

Thanks TB! Chad and I took her for a short spin yesterday and the first thing out of his mouth was "now you have plenty of room to fall" ::) geez, break one pole..  ;)

I really have  been bit.  :D  I'm also more in tune now more than ever, to how short life really is after turning 50 and loosing my mom all in the last year. I know I've used this before on the forum, but I tell my daughters, I'm in the 4th quarter of the big game and with no guarantee of overtime... :-\ 

I'm watching the forecast and in negotiation with my wife on a possible quick trip yet this year to Kipawa  8). Next weeks weather looks great, but still unsure if work will slow up for my escape.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: puckster_guy on September 07, 2017, 07:13:58 AM
It's official, I now own a sweet boat for Kipawa! Picked it up today, couldn't be much happier. Well, maybe if I could get away next week with it to fish Kipawa, would make me happier? 

Look at you go, Hodge! Wow! No more wobbles and breaking rods...  ;D

Man gets bit by Kipawa...buys boat. You're a man of action....nice work. Can't wait to see it next July...

T-Bone.

He'll be buying a camp next....
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Fort Wisers on September 07, 2017, 10:20:34 AM
It's official, I now own a sweet boat for Kipawa! Picked it up today, couldn't be much happier. Well, maybe if I could get away next week with it to fish Kipawa, would make me happier? 

Look at you go, Hodge! Wow! No more wobbles and breaking rods...  ;D

Man gets bit by Kipawa...buys boat. You're a man of action....nice work. Can't wait to see it next July...

T-Bone.


He'll be buying a camp next....


Bahahahaha aint that the truth
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: limacharley on September 07, 2017, 10:57:22 AM


He'll be buying a camp next....
[/quote]

I'm sure he'll have to buy his wife something sparkly first.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 07, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
He'll be buying a camp next....

Bahahahaha aint that the truth

I'm sure he'll have to buy his wife something sparkly first.

If I lived 300 or 400 miles closer...............  :D

My wife "I think  ??? "would actually see the idea of a camp as something sparkly.
Title: Kipawa Anchor
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 07, 2017, 11:56:40 AM
What is the best anchor for me to use while at Kipawa for the 17' Lund?

I've had the suggestion to use a piece of scrap iron for a anchor while at Kipawa, so when unretrievable there's not a monetary lose. Problem is my lack of accesess to such material. So what a good commercially available anchor? I currently have a cheap Danforth.
Title: Re: Kipawa Anchor
Post by: T-Bone on September 07, 2017, 12:47:48 PM
I've had the suggestion to use a piece of scrap iron for a anchor while at Kipawa, so when unretrievable there's not a monetary lose.

Yeah...and when the winds and current pick-up I'll wave as you go floating by as I'm locked tight to the honey hole. I've lost one anchor in 17 years of fishing Kipawa, but have been caught-up many, many times.

15 pound navy or mushroom, or a 14 pound Richter will set you up right; most important thing for getting out a stuck anchor is to be sure you have adequate chain, strong set of u-bolts, and 100' of thick / soft rope. Thickness for strength, softness of comfort in retrieval. Don't buy poly/plastic rope...go with unicord.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on September 07, 2017, 06:12:57 PM
Anchor getting stuck really sucks, but taking your time and using big motor pulling from opposite way usually wiggles it out.
Strong u-bolts is key and I usually use a piece of chain about two feet attached to bolt. Stops breaking rope rubbing on rocks etc.
Mushroom anchor is good or I make my own.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Balsams on September 08, 2017, 07:06:07 AM
Re the trim - I think it's trim up (bow up) when throttle up. You'll get us to when it's too much trim...what is the fine line for optimum riding at speed. For long runs, and gas consumption in mind, someone told me 3500 to 4000 rpm.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 08, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
After reading reviews of the Richter anchor, I ordered one with 4 foot of chain & shackles and 100' 3/8 anchor rope. I really like the design on the Richter where the chain can slide to allow it to be pulled from the opposite direction if stuck.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 18, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
New boat report ;D

This Lund 1650 Rebel seems to have been built with Kipawa in mind. What a sweet ride. My wife and I spent four days on Kipawa and couldn't have been more pleased. The flat floor areas make it so nice to walk around and basically fish anywhere on the boat. Comfortable seats, Live well was real handy, plenty of storage and boat seemed very stable on plane. The wide beam really helped anchored stability, I never had the wobbles back on shore like I had every time after a few hours in the tinner.

The 60 hp motor was plenty and don't think it would need much more. It came up on plane in seconds. I have studied up on the rpm's and Mercury published the max rpm's at 5500-6000. When pushed to full throttle, the gauge read 6200, I backed it down to 6000 and checked the gps speed at 34mph. I typically kept the sustained rpm's at 5200 which gave us a nice cruising speed of 26mph. The water was pretty smooth all week so I didn't get much chance to test her for rough water.

The Garmin Stiker worked well but has some short comings. The pluses are the sonar works great marking fish and the gps also worked well for marking favorite spots and returning to them later. It really needs background maps like in the car versions and I understand that the newer models have that capability. The other complaint is no ability to save a track? You can save waypoints and create a route from them but the track would be so much nicer, if once the track was finished you could save it, but nowhere could I find that in the manual or while using the menus.

Minn Kota trolling motor worked sweet, since the waters were mostly calm, I would not anchor a lot and use the minn Kota to bring us back to our target depth. I have to say, the i pilot would make a world of difference, I think that will be one of my first up grades.

All in all, wow. My Wife enjoyed it and so did I, so much we booked a full week together next September.  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on September 19, 2017, 07:27:39 AM
Good for you.
Enjoy

You should look into the Garmin further.
There has to be a way to keep the tracking.
Mine does.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Canuckbass on September 19, 2017, 12:44:48 PM
I believe the Stryker is their entry level before the bigger units with all the bells and whistles. I'm not a Garmin guy.
How is their mapping versus a Humminbird? I know they are still working on Canadian mapping.0
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 19, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
You should look into the Garmin further.
There has to be a way to keep the tracking.
Mine does.
I'll keep looking, thanks!

I believe the Stryker is their entry level before the bigger units with all the bells and whistles. I'm not a Garmin guy.
How is their mapping versus a Humminbird? I know they are still working on Canadian mapping.0

I just looked at Garmin and the low end unit that does both Sonar and Chartplotting was $1500usd  :o so the one I have is just a sonar unit.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on September 20, 2017, 07:40:39 AM
This is the one I have and it is not 1500 dollars U..S.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/boating/marine-electronics/sonars-sonar-gps-combos/pc/104794380/c/104707080/sc/104588280/null/2434336.uts?slotId=7
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 20, 2017, 10:13:02 AM
This is the one I have and it is not 1500 dollars U..S.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/boating/marine-electronics/sonars-sonar-gps-combos/pc/104794380/c/104707080/sc/104588280/null/2434336.uts?slotId=7

Awesome. That's way more in my price range. Did it come with preloaded Canadian Lake Maps?
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on September 20, 2017, 11:36:47 AM
Bought mine in Canada ...so yes.
Your should also but best to find out in store
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: SgtCrabby on September 23, 2017, 08:13:36 PM
My suggestion is simple:  look at the picture of RHYBAKs boat and replicate as much of it as your pocket can handle.  He does know how to catch fish in paridise.
And look at what the others suggestions are on what additional toys to get first and what will wait till later.

You've defined what the boat needs to be able to do; stay with those definitions.
My boat is not a Kipawa first boat, but I can only get there once a year; it is good for the waters I fish locally.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on September 25, 2017, 09:54:34 AM
replicate as much of it as your pocket can handle.

Sgt, I agree. Ryhbak has a sweet set up. He is helping me via PM to get things done correctly. I unfortunately will have to be patient with any additions to the boat this year. I need to allow the nest to regain its composure after being ransacked for a boat purchase and 2 trips to Kipawa.  ;)

I did feel a little bit twitchy this weekend, after reading a column in the weekly fishing report saying : Steelhead time on lake Erie. Steel head stacking up in front of tributaries waiting on rain to enter the creeks and trolling spoons picking up some nice fish, during summer time like weather.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on September 25, 2017, 11:42:05 AM
replicate as much of it as your pocket can handle.

Sgt, I agree. Ryhbak has a sweet set up. He is helping me via PM to get things done correctly. I unfortunately will have to be patient with any additions to the boat this year. I need to allow the nest to regain its composure after being ransacked for a boat purchase and 2 trips to Kipawa.  ;)

I did feel a little bit twitchy this weekend, after reading a column in the weekly fishing report saying : Steelhead time on lake Erie. Steel head stacking up in front of tributaries waiting on rain to enter the creeks and trolling spoons picking up some nice fish, during summer time like weather.


Surface troll 50 to 100 feet behind the boat with A.C. Shinners or baits like that.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 03, 2017, 09:02:33 PM
Please, shhhhhhh, don't tell my wife, but I just purchased 2 used Cannon Mag 10's for my boat 8) They should be here tomorrow, Rhybak has been coaching threw installation possibilities. So, this weekend I know what I'm doing :D
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on October 04, 2017, 07:40:08 AM
Just tell her you found them in one of the boats storage lockers
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: fishtildark on October 04, 2017, 09:14:59 AM
I too like to help people spend their money on sporting goods. Rhybak may be great information and  a bad influence.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on October 04, 2017, 09:20:38 AM
LOL
I may be helpful in spending other peoples money but at least I'm not recommending 200 dollar rods and 150 dollar reels.

 ;D :D ;)
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: fishtildark on October 04, 2017, 10:21:33 AM
good point.. nor would I, but there were some pretty fancy outfits being recommended earlier in the year by others on the board. Not on my budget..  :)
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 04, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
I alway try to get my best bang for my buck and do the homework necessary to figure out what that is. This board has helped me with my gear selection for Kipawa. I picked up a Pfueger president reel $49 on sale for $39 with a $10 rebate, so net $29 and paired with a $59 Fenwick with $10 rebate. Ended up being my favorite rig last trip to Kipawa total cost $78.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 10, 2017, 08:06:44 PM
Update: I mentioned earlier that I purchased two used downriggers. One of the used Cannons I purchased, arrived damaged by the shipping Co.  >:( so the seller has agreed to repair and return it to me.

I have taken a mounting concept shared with me from Rhybak for the DR's, and made a drawing and took it to my local fabrication shop. They are making the mounting brackets and should be done this week. Once I have them, I will mount them to the boat and mount a pair of Cannon swivels to the bracket. Then mount the one DR I do have. I hope to share photo's as I progress.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 11, 2017, 06:07:36 PM
I picked up the brackets for mounting the downrigger today from the fabricators. I'm going to try again, after many unsuccessful attempts at posting photos, to post a few.

(https://s26.postimg.org/mddhdl9wl/012f4ab6cc2688057a62ea42ae5a7f3398f6a1e4b3.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/mddhdl9wl/)

(https://s26.postimg.org/aj1527m91/013d0227c26752a63a912f36abc171ef0a1daadf7e.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/aj1527m91/)

(https://s26.postimg.org/z236jiqn9/01684e93e7cdb46b2b20e194b7c4cc0ae21926abd8.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/z236jiqn9/)

(https://s26.postimg.org/6b6ctgkth/01ac9b83f0f5ed00a4a888cad34b6e439369e92e6d.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6b6ctgkth/)

(https://s26.postimg.org/7sweirexx/01d4380e287d8ef7a08bb79df307c8c5781158e97a.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/7sweirexx/)



Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: smitty55 on October 12, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
Looks good Hodgey. I assume there are some drain holes under the plate. Mount them as far back as practical, makes for tighter turns.  Btw, how long of an arm did you get with the riggers?
As for pics, you should try imgur. It works great, full size pics on the post too.

Cheers
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 13, 2017, 07:31:24 AM
Looks good Hodgey. I assume there are some drain holes under the plate. Mount them as far back as practical, makes for tighter turns.  Btw, how long of an arm did you get with the riggers?

Do I need drain holes? The brackets are made of 1/4 aluminum and I'm mounting the Cannon swivels right to the brackets.

They will be mounted as far back as I can, yet still be able reach the swivel release. The Cannon DR's I bought have a adjustable boom from 24"-61cm  to 53"-135cm
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: smitty55 on October 14, 2017, 12:57:15 AM
Looks good Hodgey. I assume there are some drain holes under the plate. Mount them as far back as practical, makes for tighter turns.  Btw, how long of an arm did you get with the riggers?

Do I need drain holes? The brackets are made of 1/4 aluminum and I'm mounting the Cannon swivels right to the brackets.

They will be mounted as far back as I can, yet still be able reach the swivel release. The Cannon DR's I bought have a adjustable boom from 24"-61cm  to 53"-135cm

My mistake, I should have looked at the big pics lol. It was the mounting bolt holes I was seeing.

Nice choice on those riggers. Great to have the length option. Hopefully they weren't heavily used.

Good luck with the Lakers next year. I've found that the riggers are at their best once the thermocline sets up mid summer. Any decent sonar can pick it up so it's easy to get that perfect depth. Then it's just a matter of finding the structure.

Cheers



Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 24, 2017, 05:28:22 PM
Here are pictures of the downrigger installation completed. It ended up being a fun project, kinda wish I had more to do  ;) Thanks to Rhybak for mounting ideas and design help. My final design was to make it so the entire bracket can be removed quick and easy, so I used studs mounted to floor and gunnel, then used knurled jam nuts. I think you'll be able to click on pics to see larger images.

(https://s26.postimg.org/hfuhn29np/IMG_8034.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/hfuhn29np/)

(https://s26.postimg.org/oj6ygf4h1/IMG_8037.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/oj6ygf4h1/)


(https://s26.postimg.org/aa28dp751/IMG_8028.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/aa28dp751/)

(https://s26.postimg.org/ifksiroth/IMG_8030.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ifksiroth/)

(https://s26.postimg.org/iguqc6qn9/IMG_8031.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/iguqc6qn9/)


Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: RHYBAK on October 25, 2017, 07:56:38 AM
Look Really good
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 25, 2017, 06:18:44 PM
Looks Really good

Thanks! Appreciate the help! :)
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Greg on October 26, 2017, 03:26:57 PM
very professional looking mounts!  You should go into business - "look for my down rigger brackets @ Hodgey on Amazon.com" could be your new slogan!!!
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on October 27, 2017, 07:23:15 AM
very professional looking mounts!  You should go into business - "look for my down rigger brackets @ Hodgey on Amazon.com" could be your new slogan!!!

Thanks Greg, I appreciate the props. Which reminds me.... I had my brackets made at a family friends fabrication shop in the town I live in. The owners son who works in the shop and who made my brackets is a serious musky fisherman and has a side line business making custom rod holders, lures for musky and other fishing related items. Below is a link to his web site and some nice photo's of giant musky

http://www.fatazmusky.com/index.html (http://www.fatazmusky.com/index.html)
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: BigChief on April 19, 2018, 06:58:16 AM
@Hodgey1 I'm jumping in on this post a little late but I had the same sentiment you did about getting a boat. I was deployed for the military all of 2016 and did a lot of daydreaming about getting a boat. Needless to say I bought one before my Kipawa trip for 2017 and loved it.

I went a little different route. I got a fishing pontoon, Misty Harbor 2085 CF. I figured it would be good for fishing but also for family fun. And I have never been so comfortable! Got it brand new with the intent to have it paid off by the time I retire.

With getting it brand new, a little strapped to add a lot of accessories for it yet. Looking at a decent fishfinder for it this year though.
Title: Re: Newbie boat discussion
Post by: Hodgey1 on April 19, 2018, 07:29:38 AM
I bought one before my Kipawa trip for 2017 and loved it.

I'd say that was a good move! :) I was only able to use my new boat in Kipawa for a few days in September last year and thoroughly enjoyed it.  I gave the pontoon boat a thought, but since my primary goal was to fish Kipawa, trailering was a concern, since I live 500 miles away. The weather here has been beyond awful, I hope to get the boat out of storage this weekend and get her ready for a dip into Lake Erie a time or two before Kipawa. Congrats on taking the plunge!