I was able to get my 82 year old father and myself vaccinated the other day. I am hoping that between vaccinations and warmer weather on the way that cases continue to fall as they have around me. My county "pop. 270k" which is pretty rural for the most part, is dropping nearly everyday from a daily high approaching 300 and now hovering around 55 per day.
My question to you all is your thought and or intentions regarding the vaccine. My second shot is scheduled for the beginning of March. Also, what are the prospects of the border opening this summer? I know it is a slippery question, but just a general feel is all I'm interested in, I know, no one knows the answer. I am very selfishly, curious about the end of July! LOL!
No Sense speculating just to get your hopes crushed..
One day at a time.
Baby steps
From everything I have read, I do not see the border opening up this summer. I am making alternate plans
Quote from: T on February 18, 2021, 11:27:29 AM
From everything I have read, I do not see the border opening up this summer. I am making alternate plans
Chris
Do you want me to pick you up in the Middle of Lake Erie and I'll bring you home with me.
Then we'll drive up to Kipawa for a few days
;D I'm In!
In all seriousness, the economics of the border closure has to have become a real issue for Canadian border towns and tourist destinations all over Canada. I have no Ideas the dollars, but it has to be catastrophic to small businesses. I know economics should not be a primary driver in pandemic related decisions, My only thought is, that once both Countries have the majority of their people vaccinated and number falling, the boarder should open. I can only hope right now and since my engine is only running on hope, I have to continue to.
The jokes about about Covid 19 being about the 19 pound you gain in quarantine are true, with the exception that it maybe time to rename it the Covid 20 ;D.
Hodgey, I'm with you. My wife and I get our first shot in mid March. I am still living in hope that it opens this Summer. I'm sure you're right about the economic strain the closure has put on businesses. I hope they can survive.
Economic strains has no priority over the health and safety of mankind.
businesses will close and when this is over, businesses will open.
one vicious economic circle.
As for the borders and vaccines...... the way people are getting vaccinated, I would figure more on 2022 and not 2021 BUT you never know with our politicians and their decisions.
I'm not really trying to be a Debbie Downer but really????
What's more important here.
A fishing trip into another country or the well being of Humanity.
And lets not answer out of selfishness but out of reality.
Oh and by the way.
Businesses are not hurting because of the lack of cross border shoppers.
They are hurting because the politicians are shutting down any public gathering places which includes in store shopping.
COVID is affecting the businesses.
Quote from: Hodgey1 on February 18, 2021, 09:54:28 AMMy question to you all is your thought and or intentions regarding the vaccine. My second shot is scheduled for the beginning of March. Also, what are the prospects of the border opening this summer? I know it is a slippery question, but just a general feel is all I'm interested in, I know, no one knows the answer. I am very selfishly, curious about the end of July! LOL!
So far, the available Covid-19 vaccines have not been judged primarily on their ability to prevent transmission â€" though this is now being evaluated as a secondary endpoint for many of them. Instead, their efficacy was assessed by whether they could prevent symptoms from developing. "This means that we set our targets kind of pragmatically," says Danny Altmann, professor of immunology at Imperial College London.
Consequently, far too many questions without answers yet. Chances are that most Ontario residents will not be vaccinated before Sep 21. Accordingly, I doubt the border will open this year.
Jay
Nothing wrong with having hope, we need hope to keep functioning, however we also need to keep in mind that this virus situation could get better or worse at any time. I got my first dose Feb 11th and the second dose should happen on Mar 4th. I certainly hope it works for me and others.
Quote from: Gary S on February 18, 2021, 06:00:25 PM
Nothing wrong with having hope, we need hope to keep functioning
Amen Gary. Like I said earlier, my engine runs on it.
Hodgey, like you I have been living with the hope that the vaccination may at least be used for an entry requirement but with what I am reading, not very confident. Scheduled for my second shot March 2 unless the state screws up the supply chain. I also am trying to play by the rules , even paying for a test a few days ago as " required by Pa " if returning from out of state travels. The numbers are dropping but after being in Florida , I dont know how. Saw several restaurants in one section simply packed with maskless people to the point where I refused to go in. Im not a germaphobe but this close to the second shot really trying to avoid the thing. If there is a continued reduction of cases in florida with what i saw then there is something else going on that the conspiracy theorists can start .
I will continue to hope the border will open but have an alternate reservation that will require me to make a cancellation by early April or lose the deposit....... my guess is we wont cancel and if the border miraculously opens, address the question of the deposit.
Last comment about the test after travelling...How does it make sense for Pennsylvania to require a negative test within 3 days before re entry and then you get on a plane ?
Glad you opted for and got your first shot FTD. Fingers are crossed for a better 2021
Well...I don't know. One part of me is hopeful for our late-July trip...another part is a realist and think we may be hopeful to see Kipawa in September. I guess we just have to be positive, do what we can to stay healthy, and hope for the borders to open. Haven't heard much about the 'vaccination passport' of late, though I did hear a bit about it a few weeks ago. I'll be getting the vacc when it's my turn...that's for sure.
As for financial impact...I don't think Canada is willing to let the tail wag the dog...just not a priority. If they're still not having in-restaurant seating or other 'common' in-person activities are wholly impermissible, it's clear keeping businesses financially healthy is not a top consideration, but rather the health of the general public.
There's a part of me that's starting to believe your genetic "make-up" is the biggest determinant of whether you get this thing or not....meaning you're either disposed to getting it, or you simply will not. My neighbor's daughter had it...slight symptoms...and all four of them quarantined together for 2-weeks. After she was symptom free for 2-weeks, they all got tested and she was the only one with antibodies. Other neighbor...6 people in household...once their son got it, they all had it within a day or two. Who knows...I'm not a scientist.
Hoping beyond hope for a 2021 Kipawa trip...
My group had already decided that we'll be staying stateside again in 2021.
Would we have liked to return this year; heck yes.
But the border closed situation is what it is. I personally doubt it will reopen for this year's season.
Maybe 2022 will look better.
May everyone, on both sides of the border, have a good and safe year.
Sorry for my blunt answer.
I guess it's because I'm already on the right side of the border and my dreams aren't being shattered.
Sorry Guys.
I have my trips booked and they are not in jeopardy unless something really bad takes off in Quebec.
Hoping for at least one of the two trips that were rescheduled to 2021 will happen. My husband has already been fully vaccinated and I await my second shot next week. We sure have missed our Canadian trips.
Stay healthy! :)
Quote from: Dieselgirl on February 26, 2021, 01:25:01 PM
Hoping for at least one of the two trips that were rescheduled to 2021 will happen. We sure have missed our Canadian trips.
Agree
@Dieselgirl , I am in the same boat. My fingers and legs are crossed.
Numbers continue to plummet here in NW PA. Today they reported 35 new cases county wide "270,000 people", when we were over 200 a day just recently. Vaccines coupled with heard immunity and a twist of people taking it seriously have things improving greatly. I am guessing, once the weather improves, numbers will drop even more, I hope ???
Don't want to burst anyones bubbles yet..
Yesterday i heard on my local radio station in Ontaio...that my area has only vaccinated 2% of the population. Still working on first level, retirement homes etc.
They said that they were scheduled to do people in 50's in september. Thats scheduled.....with the delays we are seeing globally...i would be shocked if i was vaccinated by Sept.
But we can keep dreaming and hoping for a more normal life soon.
My thinking is this year will likely be mostly the same restrictions as last year.
I’m thinking border openings in Late fall 2021 IF numbers plummet to near zero.
In central Ontario here we are going back into full lockdown tomorrow, as new variant cases are out breaking and local health dept is predicting we are in for the 3rd Wave over the next 60 -90 days .
Predictions are 3rd wave will be the worst yet as the new variants spreading are way more contagious.
Vaccines will slow it down if enough people get the jab, but it’s looking like wave 3 will have come and gone by the time we have enough vaccinated to make a difference.
Hope here right now is for no wave 4
I read in the Canadian media outlets "more lockdowns", "COVID breakouts", "extended lockdowns"...etc. I have no idea, but it seems the more you lock it down, the cases seem to 'fester' and grow. You would think the way Ontario has been locked down like a police state the virus would be all-but vanished by now...which leads me to believe the 'rules' are not likely being followed, or the 'rules' are just misguided and they have no idea what works and what doesn't. Which I think is truly the case...no matter where you live...US or Canada.
With the exception of going to Canada, life has almost returned to 'normal' around here. Ohio business and available entertainment options started opening up more and more lately...and cases are consistently going down almost every day for the past few weeks...daily only 20% of what they were a month ago. The annual Home & Garden Show in-person exhibition is ON here in Columbus for a full-week in starting next week. Like I've said before, I think you're disposed to getting it, or you won't...it's really that simple.
To be honest, I hope they open the border so we have the option of going up to Kipawa this year, but I've stopped obsessing about it. There are plenty of options to keep me happy on holiday down here. It's way out of our hands anyway...
Quote from: T-Bone on March 01, 2021, 08:28:48 AM
I read in the Canadian media outlets "more lockdowns", "COVID breakouts", "extended lockdowns"...etc. I have no idea, but it seems the more you lock it down, the cases seem to 'fester' and grow. You would think the way Ontario has been locked down like a police state the virus would be all-but vanished by now...which leads me to believe the 'rules' are not likely being followed, or the 'rules' are just misguided and they have no idea what works and what doesn't. Which I think is truly the case...no matter where you live...US or Canada.
With the exception of going to Canada, life has almost returned to 'normal' around here. Ohio business and available entertainment options started opening up more and more lately...and cases are consistently going down almost every day for the past few weeks...daily only 20% of what they were a month ago. The annual Home & Garden Show in-person exhibition is ON here in Columbus for a full-week in starting next week. Like I've said before, I think you're disposed to getting it, or you won't...it's really that simple.
To be honest, I hope they open the border so we have the option of going up to Kipawa this year, but I've stopped obsessing about it. There are plenty of options to keep me happy on holiday down here. It's way out of our hands anyway...
That is good news for your area T-Bone "BUT" lets see what happens in 14 days?
It's been like this for several weeks now...well beyond the 14-day "boogie man" period.
So, in Ontario, what does "lockdown" mean? I see "this area" and "that area" are "going on lockdown" again for so many days...more of this type of news over the past several days. Does that mean no restaurants, haircuts, no bars, etc.??? Clearly people are ice fishing, but I saw where two guys got $800 tickets each as they were sharing the same hut but not from the same household...if that's even true.
QuoteI read in the Canadian media outlets "more lockdowns", "COVID breakouts", "extended lockdowns"...etc. I have no idea, but it seems the more you lock it down, the cases seem to 'fester' and grow. You would think the way Ontario has been locked down like a police state the virus would be all-but vanished by now...which leads me to believe the 'rules' are not likely being followed, or the 'rules' are just misguided and they have no idea what works and what doesn't. Which I think is truly the case...no matter where you live...US or Canada.
With the exception of going to Canada, life has almost returned to 'normal' around here. Ohio business and available entertainment options started opening up more and more lately...and cases are consistently going down almost every day for the past few weeks...daily only 20% of what they were a month ago. The annual Home & Garden Show in-person exhibition is ON here in Columbus for a full-week in starting next week. Like I've said before, I think you're disposed to getting it, or you won't...it's really that simple.
To be honest, I hope they open the border so we have the option of going up to Kipawa this year, but I've stopped obsessing about it. There are plenty of options to keep me happy on holiday down here. It's way out of our hands anyway...
Ohio probably as herd immunity. Ontario doesn't yet, probably, because of mask wearing, social distancing and lockdowns. Herd immunity as cost Ohio 17348 lives for a death rate of 148 per 100k. Compare that with Ontario with 6980 death for a death rate of 47 per 100k. I prefer minor inconveniences to save lives.
I look forward to the day the border is reopened also, I miss walleye fishing in NY.
Stay safe.
Quote from: T-Bone on March 01, 2021, 04:06:55 PM
It's been like this for several weeks now...well beyond the 14-day "boogie man" period.
So, in Ontario, what does "lockdown" mean? I see "this area" and "that area" are "going on lockdown" again for so many days...more of this type of news over the past several days. Does that mean no restaurants, haircuts, no bars, etc.??? Clearly people are ice fishing, but I saw where two guys got $800 tickets each as they were sharing the same hut but not from the same household...if that's even true.
No restaurants ( take out only)
No Bars
No Haircuts
No Retail ( unless essential)
Masks on
Yes people are ice fishing.
I have hear of fines being handed out on snowmobile trails to people that live in different zones.
Ice fisherman are still travelling in groups out of household
Fishermen are ignorant and for the sake of fishing, think it's O.K. to travel together.
I for one, still drive alone and will hook up with my buddies on location
We do not fish in huts.
We are open air Nomads.
Well...I'm all for people doing what they have to do to get this thing to go away. I wouldn't say Ohio is anywhere near herd immunity...less than 8% of the population here has had a confirmed case. And I've said it before...this whole change in lifestyle hasn't really affected me that much. I'm not one to go to restaurants very often, prefer to hang out with a relatively small group of friends, and spend as much time outdoors as possible. Someone showed me a comic early-on in this that said, "You never realize how pedestrian your life is until a pandemic hits and you hardly notice any change at all." Fit me perfectly. HA HA HA!!!
And those examples of lockdown rules, Mr. Rhybak, have been long-buried around here. Restaurants have had in-service dining for several months (wide spacing), haircuts open (wide spacing), all retail is open, etc. They are sticklers about wearing a mask, keeping your distance, etc. I've seen people booted from stores for not wearing a mask. In the end, it comes down to money (like most things). When businesses are closed and money movement slows down, that's bad. The only value money really has is if it's moving from one hand and in to another. Without that, we're all screwed.
I am scheduled to get the second dose of vaccine today and have to admit I was having second thoughts . in the end getting the vaccine is the right thing and hopefully will speed up the recovery . There is some credibility in T-Bones comment that you will get it or you wont but trouble is not knowing which group you are in. Both Ohio and Pennsylvania are loosening the restrictions and it has been much looser than Rhybak describes for some time. Yet we have seen a decrease in cases even in the face of the concerns about the expected post holiday spike..just so many variables that you cant point to any one thing causing it.With what I am reading about the lockdowns and slow vaccination progress I have pretty much given up hope on traveling to Canada this year. I am wondering if it is a supply issue or scheduling issues such as Pennsylvania had. In any event , the progress in the vaccinations has to be a welcome item but then I read that 60 %of the population isnt sure they will get it. Stay safe all.
Quote from: T-Bone on March 02, 2021, 08:46:11 AM
Well...I'm all for people doing what they have to do to get this thing to go away. I wouldn't say Ohio is anywhere near herd immunity...less than 8% of the population here has had a confirmed case. And I've said it before...this whole change in lifestyle hasn't really affected me that much. I'm not one to go to restaurants very often, prefer to hang out with a relatively small group of friends, and spend as much time outdoors as possible. Someone showed me a comic early-on in this that said, "You never realize how pedestrian your life is until a pandemic hits and you hardly notice any change at all." Fit me perfectly. HA HA HA!!!
And those examples of lockdown rules, Mr. Rhybak, have been long-buried around here. Restaurants have had in-service dining for several months (wide spacing), haircuts open (wide spacing), all retail is open, etc. They are sticklers about wearing a mask, keeping your distance, etc. I've seen people booted from stores for not wearing a mask. In the end, it comes down to money (like most things). When businesses are closed and money movement slows down, that's bad. The only value money really has is if it's moving from one hand and in to another. Without that, we're all screwed.
We were at that same point a few months ago.
Restaurants were open with spaced seating, salons were open, limited shoppers were allowed in stores... THEN, the numbers started to sky rockets again.
That is when the province shut down again ( around February 2)
Now we are patiently waiting again for things to open up slowly.
Some of the parts of the province started to open slowly but as of yesterday some municipalities shut their doors down again because of numbers.
Provincially we are averaging 1000 new case per day
Here in Ottawa, just 4.5 hours from RHYBAK's greater Toronto area, our numbers have been lower, so Ontario has broken down the geography into regions... we can eat in a restaurants (spaced out), get hair cuts, and go in retail stores (25% capacity only).
Numbers in our region still seem to be climbing, and I suspect wave 3 will be coming (especially with the Variants). Our vaccine distribution has gotten off to a slow start - like 3% of population has been vaccinated... and they are starting next week for people over 80 years of age. I am hoping the next 4 months, the rate of vaccinations dramatically increases... unless the Quebec border shuts down, i am going for my 2 different weeks, no matter what!!
Stay safe.
Greg
My wife and I got our first shots today. CVS runs a very smooth operation. Very pleased. Why is Canada so far behind the U.s. in vaccines?
Hey Oarin,
Regarding Canada's slow vaccine roll-out... I am sure there is a true story which will never see the light of day, but ultimately, I believe if comes down to how many vaccines got shipped to Canada from the manufacturing points (none of which are within Canadian boarders). I happen to work in health care and I heard the Ontario government was expecting 1 million shipments one week, but only got 200k. Lots of people blaming our prime minister and incompetence at Federal government level... and I'm not standing up for him here what-so-ever, but what can anyone do about a company from another country not delivering on their commitments.
Everyone in Canada is hoping we can see accelerated vaccination schedules in the coming 4 to 6 months....but that will depend on supply from manufacturers delivered to Canada.
Greg
I'm also in Ottawa area. Why we are not getting that much vaccine is because the little guy at the bottom of the ladder forgot to tell the Big Guy at the TOP of the ladder that we would require this much vaccine. By the time they got the Big Boy at the Top to place an order we were down about 37th in the world to get the vaccine. We don't have a vaccine producing place in Canada because our Big Boy at the TOP , when his Daddy was PM, got rid of the major pharmaceutical plants in Canada. I think Canada will be lucky to have everybody vaccinated by June 2022and more likely September.
Supply...demand...and scaled allocation. It's really that simple. Not sure it's political or anyone screwed up...that's possible I suppose. Probably has something to do with money in the end...that's a good bet.
Our 60-year and older vaccination stage starts Thursday. I'm in the next group...which at this pace will be about 3-weeks or maybe a bit longer...but who knows...the whole thing is so fluid.
Seems like our big guy at the top back when this started got things going and your big guy didn't. Now our new big guy is taking credit for it. Politics suck! Who cares who did it, just get it out and stop the pissing contest. I really hope yours can get things going for you all. This virus is scary. Stay safe and well.
I hoping that now johnson and johnson will be pushing out vaccine that the boarder will open by aug 1
Quote from: johnny walleye on March 02, 2021, 10:04:56 PM
I hoping that now johnson and johnson will be pushing out vaccine that the boarder will open by aug 1
They just put out a notice not to use the AstraZeneca "vaccine" on seniors. Personally I don't trust any of them, specially the mRna ones that actually don't fall under the definition of what and how a vaccine works. No way anyone is going to modify my genes. https://lbry.tv/@SixthSense-Truth-Search-Labs:0/Dr-Andrew-Wakefield-Warns---This-Is-Not-A-Vaccine!:b?fbclid=IwAR
State of emergency rule.
U.S. first.
Vaccines produced in the U.S. were to stay in the U.S. and treat Americans first.
At least that is what I read.
It was the new presidents order .
I could be wrong
I'm going to avoid any vaccine that was rushed through. I don't trust what any government or pharmaceutical company says.
What doesn't kill you will make you stronger!
I don't believe I'm in the vulnerable group. To me it's just a stronger strain of flu. How many times do you hear every winter...Oh I got my flu shot
but got the flu anyway...?? Then the Health industry releases their opinion that they focused on the wrong strain??
We're seeing different strains of Covid now (South African variant, UK variant etc...)....this doesn't give me any confidence in their vaccine. I'll pass.
This morning our local radio station says that Canada has around 3 million vaccines that are about to expire if not used. Big hurry to get the quantity of doses and a terrible plan to distribute.
Ozzy, sounds like you are describing Pennsylvania. took way too long to get their act together but its getting better. If there are that many doses ready to expire they should have people on street corners pushing shots. thats over a third of the population of Quebec. Neither the states or Canada should let medical people distribute the vaccine. Get people who have skills like trucking company dispatchers or military supply sergeants to handle distribution and medical people handle the needles.
my rant for the day.
So?????
Here is another thought to ponder.
All of the U.S. citizens have been vaccinated BUT and a big BUTTTT. Canadian citizens have yet to be vaccinated.
Should U.S. citizens still be allowed to cross the border ?
If the vaccine works US citizens should pose no threat....however, I saw a number that said 60 percent here dont know it they are going to get it....If things dont open up for vaccinated people less incentive for people to get it. potential border crossing was one thing that encouraged me to get it as soon as eligible and available...
Time will tell.
Who knows what is in the head of our Political leaders that make those decisions
I can answer that RHYBAK, AIR.
Quote from: RHYBAK on March 04, 2021, 11:04:46 AM
Who knows what is in the head of our Political leaders that make those decisions
Promises of money...tons of it...for those on both sides of the argument...
You can make book on that.
I am not a DR and thank god, not a politician, but things are looking brighter by the day here in NW Pa. case numbers are staying low, deaths are reducing and vaccinations are going way up and the weather is still awful.
The Hodge predicts he will be fishing at Kipawa in July 8) ....... Maybe ;D
Quote from: Hodgey1 on March 04, 2021, 04:18:46 PM
The Hodge predicts he will be fishing at Kipawa in July 8) ....... Maybe ;D
HA HA!!! I love it!!! I hope "The Hodge" is correct!!!
The Hodge hopes to be on Kipawa in July. Hopefully you're talking 2021but the way our knuckleheads here in Canada are
going I'd be more optimistic for late fall 2021 or spring 2022.
Whatever
I'll be on Kipawa for three trips in June regardless if borders are open or closed
Quote from: RHYBAK on March 08, 2021, 08:12:25 AM
I'll be on Kipawa for three trips in June regardless if borders are open or closed
Yeah, yeah....we know already. Sheesh. >:(
Just got word that Ohio is opening up vaccination to those 50+ on Thursday...and I'll be getting in line right away. Should be fully-vaccinated by early-April and ready to get going with life again.
Quote from: RHYBAK on March 08, 2021, 08:12:25 AM
I'll be on Kipawa for three trips in June regardless if borders are open or closed
Braggart! :(
Where I work for years, we have a standard practice of betting what we call the biscuit and making the biscuit bet. It stems from a time when McDonald’s used to offer a breakfast sandwich that was a piece of sausage on a biscuit and could be bought for one American dollar. Having said that I am betting a biscuit I will get at least one trip in this year to Kipawa.
Listen to today’s Fresh Air on NPR “Code Breaker†it gives me great hope, that it all going to ok! I’ll bet a biscuit on that also.
I certainly hope for you guys, that you do get to come to Canada and see Kipawa this year!
However, I am having a sneaking suspicion that it will no longer be based on if YOU (Americans) receive your vaccine, rather, the criteria for opening the boarders will be based on our (Canadian) vaccine status... the Canadian government may not be in a position to open any boarders yet.
So far, at the end of last week, we are only about 4% of the population has been vaccinated (health care workers, people in remote northern communities, and those over 80 years of age were just starting). The % vaccinated has risen slowly (much criticism in the media) - about 1% or 1.5% of population per week... lets see, mid July is about 16 to 18 weeks away - being generous, if we go up 2% per week, we are still not even 50% of population vaccinated. Not sure what they refer to as herd-immunity.
Not trying to be a downer... again... I certainly hope you will be able to make it to Kipawa.
But they’re not addressing the “whole†population. Subtract those 25 (probably 30) and under... and those that just won’t get it (estimates at 40% or more)... not a really big number. Who knows...?
I agree - there are so many unknowns... and so much can change in 3-4 months.
Fingers crossed for us all.
Cheers, Greg
Ohio announced today vaccinations will be open to those 16 years old and older effective 3/29. Essentially, if you live in Ohio and want one you can get one right away.
C'mon Canada!!! Let's get it going already!!!
Unfortunately, we are headed in the wrong direction - again. With increased positive test numbers, including discovery of more variants, Ottawa looks to be headed from Orange back to RED zone classification any minute.
:(
Well...hopefully the vaccine availability will improve for our CDN friends soon as we'll have more shots to give than people that want them very soon.
And this is encouraging...though not Canada, maybe your leadership will take notice of this type of 'planning' to get travel and tourism underway again by summer.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/eu-sets-virus-pass-plan-free-travel-summer-76507583
Hey Folks
Well it seems there is a small light at the end of the tunnel. Our Government just announced another 30 day closure of the U.S border. Even though things are getting worse in Ontario and we are approaching or some area's in a 3rd wave our friends in the U.S are sending Canada 1.5 million doses of the vaccine. Great news! Thanks, Guys much appreciated! Here's hoping to a normal 2022.
Great news Wayne!
Quote from: wayne on March 18, 2021, 06:52:49 PM
Hey Folks
Well it seems there is a small light at the end of the tunnel. Our Government just announced another 30 day closure of the U.S border. Even though things are getting worse in Ontario and we are approaching or some area's in a 3rd wave our friends in the U.S are sending Canada 1.5 million doses of the vaccine. Great news! Thanks, Guys much appreciated! Here's hoping to a normal 2022.
I sense a bit of sarcasm in that. Let’s just hope for a viable ‘21. We all want to get back to normal...
We miss you Wayne and Barb!
Thanks, Steve. Missed swapping stories with your group as well. Looking forward to catching up, stay safe! ;D
Ontario is opening up booking a Covid vaccination for all Ontario residents over the age of 75 Years as of Monday 22 Mar.
Jay
That's great news, Jay. I hope it's not long before it's available to all.
First if the US is leading now consider that Canada gets none of it's vaccine from the US Pfizer plant, it must be imported from Europe. I think the same is true for the Monderna vaccine.
As for things opening up I am optimistic.
-the summer is a traditional time of virus reduction
-the US is now well ahead of schedule at 114 million vaccinations
-Americans are much more leery of taking the virus so soon the US will come to a point where everyone who wants a shot gets a shot
-supply no longer going to Americans will go to Canadians
-Canadian imports of vaccine are ramping up as contracts come into full force. I do believe we will hit our target of vaccinating everyone who wants a shot by the end of July
My bet is by sometime August the infection rate will have dropped like a stone in both countries and you could get the border opening. We could go back to closed border in the winter precisely because the US doesn't get to full herd immunity and cases rise again, especially if a new variant emerges
To test my theory out I looked at death and infection rates of southern states like Texas, Arizona, and Florida. There is a noticeable decline in both yardsticks in all three states. Arizona in particular has rates going straight down. This time of year is their outdoor season. If you remember things got bad down there in the summer when people stay indoors because of the heat. There is now growing evidence that vitamin D protects against cv19.
I agree with a previous poster, the border will open when Canadians are protected. That could be if infection rates are at rock bottom levels in both countries or if all Canadians who want a shot are vaccinated and rates are falling like a stone.
Just two days after opening vaccine to 40+, Ohio opened availability to all 16 and older today; vaccine doses should be freely flowing to our Canadian friends very, very soon.
Quote from: T-Bone on March 22, 2021, 04:05:01 PM
Just two days after opening vaccine to 40+, Ohio opened availability to all 16 and older today; vaccine doses should be freely flowing to our Canadian friends very, very soon.
That's incredible. Ohio seems way ahead of other states?
Texas is opening up to all adults in a week, if supplies on hand hold out.
I've been fully vaccinated since February, but I still do not plan nor expect that the border will open this season. Not to be a party pooper, but that's my view. I hope I am totally wrong for all y'all here in the US planning to go north this year.
It isn't just the US citizens getting vaccinated, but also the Canadian citizens.
Saw on the national news this morning that Canada has vaccinated just over 9% of the population.
NY opened vaccines to anyone 50+. Hope that will be expanded soon. Then maybe the border could be opened by August? Hoping our crew (and everyone else's) will be able to make our first trek to Kipawa.
Quote from: SgtCrabby on March 24, 2021, 12:08:23 AM
....I still do not plan nor expect that the border will open this season. Not to be a party pooper, but that's my view. I hope I am totally wrong for all y'all here in the US planning to go north this year.
It isn't just the US citizens getting vaccinated, but also the Canadian citizens.
Well no it's not just about vaccination rates, the key variable for an open border is not VRs.
Interesting, the Canadian fed decreased the quarantine time from 14 days to 7 days for NHL players because the trade deadline is coming up. The justification was that the players get so much testing and can travel on private planes so these transfers would still be safe.
Safety is the key issue. When will it be safe to cross the border? People think that is when we have a near zero transmission rate, it's not. We have lockdowns and reopenings now and the key factor they look at are hospitalizations and deaths. Linked to that is the rate of transmission. They don't want the hospitals overwhelmed and an excessive number of people dying. When the hospitals are overwhelmed not only does the death rate increase for covid patients but for all patients.
So with vaccinations you will get less death. They are vaccinating 75 and up right now and giving Astra Zeneca to those 60-65. You will probably have 60 and up vaccinated by the end of May. Deaths will decrease significantly like they are in the US and the UK. Next is the transmission rates, those will stay higher for a while. Right now they are rising as UK variant is taking hold. We may go into another lockdown, but in my opinion good weather will turn this around. Canadians live outdoors when the weather gets good and transmission rates dropped like a stone last year at that time.
When the transmission rates drop like a stone the border will open. What might speed things up is a vaccine passport, the feds may start with that. The tourist industry needs that.
I see the border opening July-August. Key in both countries would be the vaccination rate, are we getting to herd immunity. If 40% of the population doesn't get a vaccination we are going to live in a new normal with possible yearly winter restrictions and booster shots. Borders may close in the winter on an outbreak, sporting events may be limited, ditto bars etc.
Big key is going to be variants.
Good chance vaccines will not protect people from the new variants, which are becoming the biggest number of new infections.
They are working now on “booster shots “ for the variants existing now.
If case numbers ramp up again, there is a greater chance of new variants emerging .
We need everyone to stay the course , keep safe practices and masks , and hopefully Jabs and good practices will drive case numbers down.
Right now everyone thinks the Jab is a cure and we are all good to go.
Sadly not true Ontario and many US areas are ramping up into wave 3 right now, probably we will see the highest case numbers ever in the next 30-60 days.
New vaccines are being built to cover the 3 main variants now, these might be available in a few months , as long as piles of new variants are not emerged by then, there is still a chance to beat this thing down.
Everyone figures hey , I got a vaccine, and goes “back to life as normal†we are totally screwed.
Top virologists are still saying we have a limited window to vaccinate and keep case numbers in check, , or we will be chasing variants of this fuckin bug for a decade or 2.
Mask up, 10 feet apart, save the huggin and kissin and high 5’s and fist bumps for a while yet, get the Jab and maybe if we’re lucky we will have numbers dwindling by The end of 2021.
Man I really hope I’m wrong and case numbers plummet to zippo this summer, but I think we will be going over this same crap next March about the numbers of the latest variant and how many boosters are available for it.
This thought is for Canadians only. The Astra Zenca is limited to those 60 and up, and it appears not to be as popular also. Some are waiting for the other vaccines. This may be a distinct advantage to fishermen aged 60 and up. They have delayed second shots of the other vaccines to a full four months. Since there is a only a certain segment of the population who can, and who want to take the A-Z vaccine, you may well get both shots a lot sooner then 4 months apart. I've pretty well made my mind up about doing a trip this year after my vaccine and lodge owners are definitely looking for clients for the early summer. You may get prime weeks that are never open to non-regulars, possibly even at discount.
Maaaaa'n....you guys are bringing me down.
Ontario Premier Doug Ford's government announced Thursday that it's putting the entire province under new restrictions for 28 days. The measure comes into effect as of 12:01 a.m. on Saturday, the province said in a news release, and will be in place for at least four weeks.
Jay
Quote from: Jay Thomas on April 01, 2021, 07:14:09 PM
Ontario Premier Doug Ford's government announced Thursday that it's putting the entire province under new restrictions for 28 days. The measure comes into effect as of 12:01 a.m. on Saturday, the province said in a news release, and will be in place for at least four weeks.
It's always darkest before the dawn! In Ontario in many regions jabs are now being booked for those 55 years and over. That opened up yesterday and I booked.
https://covid-19.ontario.ca/vaccine-locations
Got my 1st moderna shot 28 March, 2nd one scheduled for 26 April (I'm 42 with some underlying health risks and was on the waiting list for 3 months since late December)
wifey is under 40 and has her first Pfizer shot on Monday.
Pretty much all my coworkers, friends and family has either been vaccinated or have an appointment to get vaccinated across the USA that I talk to....
If I was a Canadian I would consider being a vaccine tourist and traveling to the USA to get vaccinated (Staying long enough and renting an Air BNb for a month in a state like Florida that requires no residency requirement to get it).
There is going to shortly be more supply in the USA than people willing to get it so more states will open it up to anyone without an appointment. I predict this will happen by early May if not before. Some states are already doing drive up, no appt vaccinations.
Quote from: Dog on April 09, 2021, 09:22:21 PM
Got my 1st moderna shot 28 March, 2nd one scheduled for 26 April (I'm 42 with some underlying health risks and was on the waiting list for 3 months since late December)
wifey is under 40 and has her first Pfizer shot on Monday.
Pretty much all my coworkers, friends and family has either been vaccinated or have an appointment to get vaccinated across the USA that I talk to....
If I was a Canadian I would consider being a vaccine tourist and traveling to the USA to get vaccinated (Staying long enough and renting an Air BNb for a month in a state like Florida that requires no residency requirement to get it).
There is going to shortly be more supply in the USA than people willing to get it so more states will open it up to anyone without an appointment. I predict this will happen by early May if not before. Some states are already doing drive up, no appt vaccinations.
Some Canadians have done that, retirees have made the trek down. Right now those 50 and up and can get a jab. If you're younger you're probably working or have kids so going to the states isn't an option for most.
I've been talking to lodge owners and most are full steam ahead. Most are opening at their regular time. They are not sure when their American customers can get there, the ministry is positive about the border opening at some point this summer and that lodges can stay open. Because of the variants no one can give a solid prediction.
Heading out just after lunch today to get my First injection with the Pfizer vaccine.
Countdown is on for our trip to Smithbay now at 74 days.
Wife and I are getting our first shot this Wednesday
I got my 2nd Pfizer shot on Thursday...so now fully vaccinated...fully-protected in about 10-days. I will say my 2nd came with some after-effects...nothing on first dose. Woke up about 12-hours after getting the shot with fever, aches, headache, very fatigued. That lasted for about 36-hours and washed away pretty quickly. Felt mostly normal yesterday...played 18-holes no problem.
Good luck to all up to get their shot next!!! Now if they would only open that border... >:(
T-Bone
The way our numbers are going, I wouldn't hold your breathe on the borders opening up any time soon
Your side may look good but our side does not.
I'm starting to think the borders will never open for tourism with the current thinking about this virus. If we "wait" for numbers to be acceptable (totally subjective number...depends on who you ask) we may as well forget coming up for the next...pick a time frame...2 years...5 years...10 years. If anyone believes this thing is going to go away and the threat will ever be negligible again, we're all fooling ourselves. And save the 'herd immunity' argument...that's harder to secure than a winning lotto ticket.
And in what I see, the CDN numbers per 100K of population are actually quite low...even now. A 3.8% positivity rate is considered low here in US. I'm not a doctor or a statistician, but they seem low compared to Ohio's numbers.
I heard something the other day that would have drawn my shock 2-months ago, but now I believe may have to be the case if we ever expect to get back to the way it was. At some point, you just have to move forward. Trying to outrun variants or predict what shot will work now versus later is like chasing a sunset running to the west...you will never catch it...no matter how hard you try.
As for Vax Passports, why not? You can't travel to other parts of the world without getting certain vaccines...why is this different? Invasion of privacy or whatever excuse is being used? Gimme a break. That flows from the mouths of simpletons that can't wait to check their Twitter feed, Facebook whatever, and LinkedIn messages....but worry about their privacy for this.
Yeah...if you can't tell, I'm getting salty about all this. Can't live our lives in fear as that's not living at all.
Well Todd
Last week Ontario was at about 4 % positivity rate on their test
The last few days it's jumping up slowly from 6 to 7 and today it's 7.7%
It's not getting better.
The whole idea of closed borders is to stop/ prevent the importation/ exportation of this virus.
It's not to stop tourism and even though I tried very hard, it's not intended to prevent Kipawa fishermen from coming over to fish.
It's not personal.
It's for the good of humanity.
A vaccine passport might be good to wipe yourself after you go to the washroom but it still won't prevent cross border transmission.
Quote from: RHYBAK on April 12, 2021, 01:12:29 PM
The whole idea of closed borders is to stop/ prevent the importation/ exportation of this virus.
A vaccine passport might be good to wipe yourself after you go to the washroom but it still won't prevent cross border transmission.
Cross border transmission? Is anyone really worried about that anymore? Maybe if Canada (or anywhere) had zero cases if would be a legitimate position. My only thought on that would be "too late". It's here, it's there, it's everywhere.
So what are the talking heads on TV or within the government trying to stop now? The probability a person dying in a car accident annually in the US is far more than double that of COVID. If you're driving on the 401 around Toronto it's probably 10x more probable to die from a car accident than COVID. Maybe we should all stop driving until there are no more accidents.
I understand the fear, but if you normalize it compared to other 'understood' ways one can die it's really fractional. Winners in this....and there are certainly many...big pharma and politicians. Make no mistake.
I'm going to stop now because this will become like a broken record stuck on a line.
You and I do not make these decisions yet we still have to live by them no matter what idea's we might have, they are not in our hands.
All I know is that at the moment, I am living on the right side of the border.
Quote from: RHYBAK on April 12, 2021, 02:06:57 PM
All I know is that at the moment, I am living on the right side of the border.
If you're worried about fishing on Lake Kipawa...yes.
Just read an article that 'maybe' by August they will be "in a position" open the border. Translated, they have no idea...
Don't you worry Mr. Rhybak...once they do I'm calling you to ask for directions to your house...I'll be there within 48-hours. ;)
Quote from: T-Bone on April 12, 2021, 02:37:52 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on April 12, 2021, 02:06:57 PM
All I know is that at the moment, I am living on the right side of the border.
If you're worried about fishing on Lake Kipawa...yes.
Just read an article that 'maybe' by August they will be "in a position" open the border. Translated, they have no idea...
Don't you worry Mr. Rhybak...once they do I'm calling you to ask for directions to your house...I'll be there within 48-hours. ;)
You bet and I'll be sending you a shopping list
Quote from: RHYBAK on April 12, 2021, 02:51:04 PM
Quote from: T-Bone on April 12, 2021, 02:37:52 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on April 12, 2021, 02:06:57 PM
All I know is that at the moment, I am living on the right side of the border.
Don't you worry Mr. Rhybak...once they do I'm calling you to ask for directions to your house...I'll be there within 48-hours. ;)
You bet and I'll be sending you a shopping list
Hoping, as we all are, that things clear up and the border opens later this summer. Until then, stay safe, everyone. Maybe we could split that list w/ you, T-Bone, and meet at Rhybak's on the way up?
I want to be included in on the road trip to
@RHYBAK ’s ! I will bring the Bourbon and the pizza.
I still believe I will be fishing at Kipawa at some point in 2021.
For the first time the US has a lower infection rate then Canada. They came down from a very high spot and we are at our highest rate yet. This shows that vaccinations work. We are a bit more then a month behind you vaccination wise.
They have closed schools for the rest of the year in Ontario. That's what should happen with high infection rates. It looks bad now but I'd put money on that it's going to look darn good two months from now. It's not the infection or death rate that counts, it's the hospitalization rate. Our hospitals run at near capacity during normal times. That rate should come down two months from now.
Wow
Going to be a busy house
Quote from: RHYBAK on April 13, 2021, 07:08:15 AM
Wow
Going to be a busy house
I like my towels preheated in the dyer prior to my exit from the shower! ;D
So not at all happy with the latest news I read regarding the opening of the border. Now they're talking possibly September before things get back to normal. I'm still hoping things will get better by mid summer.
Quote from: Chazz on April 16, 2021, 11:45:59 AM
So not at all happy with the latest news I read regarding the opening of the border. Now they're talking possibly September before things get back to normal. I'm still hoping things will get better by mid summer.
I still think we will get an opening of the border this summer. Premier is like a ref in an out of control hockey game calling penalties to change our behaviour because of the variants. The hospitals can't triple the amount of intensive care patients without a lot of people dying. Previously when the Premier gets tougher we fall in line.
I could be wrong but the entire purpose of "locking down" in the first place was to limit the transmission to a point where the hospitals and ICU's wouldn't be overwhelmed and there were enough ventilators and PPE. This is currently not the case in America or Canada (With the vaccines getting rolled out and available treatment drips, so dare I ask a hypothetical?..... what's the point of continuing to keep everyone locked down?
Lockdowns were never intended to stop the spread completely or eradicate the virus, just slow it to a manageable level we can live with... and guess what? We are all living with it. Even if one isn't vaccinated the world has adapted... social distancing, wearing a mask and people managing their own risk, the way it should be. If a vaccine is available and people choose not to get it, that's on them as far as I'm concerned, just like the flu vaccine.
Why punish everyone in a city, country or continent under the guise that we can somehow beat this virus. Not gonna happen people, we will be living with it or variant of it, forever. Keeping the border closed or regulating how many people can be in one car or in one cabin on a fishing trip is simply nonsensible power grab by politicians who like power.
There's nothing more permanent than a temporary government program, someone once said and we are unfortunately living thru this reality right now.... Even in America we're printing money under the façade there is an economic "emergency" we need to recover from...um, there is no emergency which requires helicopter money dropping from the sky or an obscene amount of government spending which will be rife with corruption and no accountability on it's return. sorry fo ranting. just tiiiiiiiiiired of this crap
Looking at the 7 day moving average for Ontario the curve is bent already. Looking to the US they have really cut their infection rate and that has been through vaccination. Israel is opening up. Look at Gibraltar, zero new local cases. It's totally opened up because they have the highest vaccination rate in the world. It's darkest before the dawn.
Quote from: Dog on April 24, 2021, 04:27:11 PM
I could be wrong but the entire purpose of "locking down" in the first place was to limit the transmission to a point where the hospitals and ICU's wouldn't be overwhelmed and there were enough ventilators and PPE. This is currently not the case in America or Canada (With the vaccines getting rolled out and available treatment drips, so dare I ask a hypothetical?..... what's the point of continuing to keep everyone locked down?
Control
Quote from: RHYBAK on March 08, 2021, 08:12:25 AM
Whatever
I'll be on Kipawa for three trips in June regardless if borders are open or closed
@RHYBAK We will all be patiently waiting for those 3 trip reports. And another question: With much less fishing pressure what will that mean overall for the fishery? Will loons be walking on the backs of walleye like ducks do with carp in Pymatuning? Will they get rid of the slot limit for a time in the near future?
Big Chief
Don't think the fishing pressure was down because the borders were closed.
Some of the fishing camp filled up with local Quebec and Ontario Residents.
They could not travel out of country so they hit the fishing camps
My fishing showed no change last year.
This year may be a different story
What I do wish is the Ministry would lighten up on the regulations and let us keep one over the slot
Quote from: BigChief on May 04, 2021, 02:55:08 PM
Will loons be walking on the backs of walleye like ducks do with carp in Pymatuning?
My favorite place to get rid of my stale bread! ;D
Well...I know without Hodgey's and my group there a lot more walleye NOT being caught! Mattie could feed a platoon on his own. Oh man...I miss getting up there. Patience...I know. Unfortunately I have little to none. :(
Quote from: T-Bone on May 04, 2021, 05:53:50 PM
Well...I know without Hodgey's and my group there a lot more walleye NOT being caught! Mattie could feed a platoon on his own. Oh man...I miss getting up there. Patience...I know. Unfortunately I have little to none. :(
I think we're all running out of patience at this point.....
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 04, 2021, 03:47:22 PM
What I do wish is the Ministry would lighten up on the regulations and let us keep one over the slot
@RHYBAK agreed on keeping one big one!
Quote from: Hodgey1 on May 04, 2021, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: BigChief on May 04, 2021, 02:55:08 PM
Will loons be walking on the backs of walleye like ducks do with carp in Pymatuning?
My favorite place to get rid of my stale bread! ;D
@Hodgey1 I heard the walleye are hitting up there right now!
Quote from: BigChief on May 05, 2021, 08:22:08 AM
I heard the walleye are hitting up there right now!
I heard the same thing
@BigChief , I don't have a 9.9 to go to Pymatuning though. I am hoping to get out soon to small mouth bass fish lake erie.
On the vaccine front. PA announced removal of indoor capacity limitations today by the end of this month. NJ & Delaware as well, the middle of this month. Case loads here keep falling as vaccine rates increase.
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 04, 2021, 03:47:22 PMWhat I do wish is the Ministry would lighten up on the regulations and let us keep one over the slot
Not sure I understand any rationale for harvesting bigger walleye - they sure don't taste as good as the 2 to 3 pounders.
Jay
Quote from: Jay Thomas on May 05, 2021, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 04, 2021, 03:47:22 PMWhat I do wish is the Ministry would lighten up on the regulations and let us keep one over the slot
Not sure I understand any rationale for harvesting bigger walleye - they sure don't taste as good as the 2 to 3 pounders.
Jay
I'm thinking a few more inches only.
Not a monster.
Quote from: Jay Thomas on May 05, 2021, 01:16:08 PM
Not sure I understand any rationale for harvesting bigger walleye - they sure don't taste as good as the 2 to 3 pounders.
I’ve not met a walleye that i didn’t like eating, including the 7.5 lb’er i caught in Lake Erie a couple of years back.
Quote from: Hodgey1 on May 05, 2021, 04:08:57 PMI’ve not met a walleye that i didn’t like eating, including the 7.5 lb’er i caught in Lake Erie a couple of years back.
I guess I got spoiled. Back in the 50s and early 60s, my Dad and I fished the western basin of Lake Erie out of Colchester harbour. While we caught lots of bigger walleye, my Dad would not bring home any walleye over 17 inches. He referred to these sweet tasting walleye as "spikes". And his rationale for harvesting these spikes was flavour.
Jay
Let's put it another way. Would you want to eat meat off of an 8 year old Holstein cow as compared to eating meat off of a 2 years old
heifer. The younger animal is much more tender and muscle tissue easier to digest. Probably wouldn't have been a breeder anyway. As Jay has stated the smaller fish are a lot more flavourful and meat is flaky. You get the old fish, and I know particularly Lake trout, because of the ciscos and smelt which they feed off of the meat is very oily and tastes terrible. Muskrat Lake anything over 4 lbs. goes back. Nothing but grease balls. Then you have the reproductive side of things where the older females are able to spawn out a lot more viable eggs as compared to the younger females. Also a lot smarter fish as I see it that they didn't ingest every bait thrown at them. Better genetics come from the younger sound females which mature much slowly. Once they big girls do hit the giant size, I know research shows some slow down in egg production, but I'd enjoy a good fight with one of them and then surrender her back to the depths for another angler to catch. I know a young lady who pulled an 18 lb walleye out of the Bay of Quinte through the ice, she was devastated with the size and she got measurements and photos and released to let somebody else catch. This lady also guides "She Loves To F.ish is her YT handle.
For our American friends here is an update. Hospitalizations, incubation, ICU admissions are all trending down, as are deaths and infections. Vaccinations are now pouring into our country and will soon get to a peak vaccination rate. Better yet here in Ontario they are now targeting hotspots and essential works. Also in general Ontarioians do the right thing over individual rights which means we should have a good total of the population vaccinated.
It's not if Ontario will open this summer, it's when.
Quote from: chiaro on May 06, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
For our American friends here is an update. Hospitalizations, incubation, ICU admissions are all trending down, as are deaths and infections. Vaccinations are now pouring into our country and will soon get to a peak vaccination rate. Better yet here in Ontario they are now targeting hotspots and essential works. Also in general Ontarioians do the right thing over individual rights which means we should have a good total of the population vaccinated.
It's not if Ontario will open this summer, it's when.
@chiaro thanks for the update, so there is still hope!
8)
All good.
So sorry to hear Oarin :(...fingers crossed that you get to Kipawa soon with your son, it's been a long year
Thanks Michelle, at this point the cancer is gone, but the Doc. still wants regular check ups to see if it returns. Guys, if you haven't had your PSA test for your prostate you should. I waited too long and it was a 9 on a scale of 2 to 10. Not good. Moderators if this isn't allowed delete it.
Quote from: Oarin on May 10, 2021, 01:05:12 PM
RHYBAK, what's with the smiling faces on your post! Do you think it's funny that the American members of this site can't go again this year?
I remember a line from one of the Batman movies where Michael Caine tells a story that concludes with, "Some people just like to watch the world burn." I don't think Mr. Rhybak feels like that way though...he just likes to pull strings...
Sorry to hear about your diagnosis Oarin...hopefully you stay in front of it and continue to see many more Kipawa trips.
I read an article from a couple of days ago that said late-summer to fall at soonest before the border will be open...and they said the 'red tape' to get that process created may take quite some time. Discouraging, but it is what it is.
Cases continue to dive here...vaccines still going into arms. I would assess the "fear" level in Canada is 10x that of the states right now...and with the exception of wearing masks when in public indoors life is almost back to normal. Not sure what's going on up there...it seems clear the govt has little idea what works and what doesn't so they're just flinging noodles against the wall to see what sticks. Like closing boat launches...that's just ridiculous to believe that would have any meaningful effect on mitigating the virus spread.
Hopeful to return soon...but not counting on it...
Quote from: Oarin on May 10, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
Thanks Michelle, at this point the cancer is gone, but the Doc. still wants regular check ups to see if it returns. Guys, if you haven't had your PSA test for your prostate you should. I waited too long and it was a 9 on a scale of 2 to 10. Not good.
Good advise
@Oarin . I’m glad things are looking better for you!
I think we will move from a stay at home order to the "freer" lockdown soon. Everything is positive on the pandemic side of things here. Ditto in the US. Vaccines WORK!!!
That border will be open no later then August, likely July...or may be JUNE? I'd put money on the end of August knowing it very likely.
They are putting about 3 million vaccinations in new arms a week right now in Canada. We've already vaccinated 15 million out of 38 million. 4 more weeks should put us at the bottom end of the herd immunity threshold. Right now we are vaccinating a significantly higher rate then the US and there is not as much vaccine hesitancy here as in the US.
We all hope you're right
@chiaro but as
@T-Bone points out there are glaring oddities (here in Canada) in some of the restrictions that no one would ever, in their right mind, believe contribute to covid spread in any meaningful way. Especially in comparison to allowing covid positive individuals enter the country from India.
Couple this with the fact that we continue to be in the strictest lockdown measures since the pandemic started (14 months ago) yet we are around 40% vaccinated is peculiar. Shouldn't restrictions be easing the more we vaccinate? Rumors now of an extension to June 2nd....
Hi All:
I took Rhybak's 8) Cool Face emoji (not smiley Face), as a "Thumbs Up" to BigChief's prior post ending with "so there is still hope". I'm confident that Rhybak and all Canadian Members on this board are NOT HAPPY that our US members weren't able to make their trips last year & hope "There is Still Hope" this year.
Stay Safe All.
Quote from: Campkipawa on May 11, 2021, 07:51:46 AM
We all hope you're right @chiaro but as @T-Bone points out there are glaring oddities (here in Canada) in some of the restrictions that no one would ever, in their right mind, believe contribute to covid spread in any meaningful way. Especially in comparison to allowing covid positive individuals enter the country from India.
Couple this with the fact that we continue to be in the strictest lockdown measures since the pandemic started (14 months ago) yet we are around 40% vaccinated is peculiar. Shouldn't restrictions be easing the more we vaccinate? Rumors now of an extension to June 2nd....
As of yesterday 6.2 M were vaccinated in Ont. which is 50 % of the population in our province. We are approaching a vaccination rate equal to certain US states. Vaccinations work, be patriotic and get your jab. Do it for your country.
Many initially criticized the stay at home order but it's done it's job. Restrictions should be easing by the end of the month. At some point you have to feed the dog a bone.
I do agree certain restrictions have little effect. Ford should have listened to science. As to India being the root of our plight, sure that plays a roll but the fact of the matter is that genetic testing shows that most of the transmission that came into Canada came from the US. Note that you have been triggered, and ask yourself why would someone do that? It's misinformation. I have no issue with severe limits on international travel until everyone has had a chance to get two shots.
Hi
@chiaro , if you reread my post you will notice I wasn't implying that those flights were the 'root of our plight' of covid transmission in Canada, but rather an odd oversight when considering such granular closures as boat launches, kids parks, snowmobiling, golfing and other outdoor activities etc.
All good.
Quote from: Oarin on May 11, 2021, 11:09:15 AM
T-Bird, it's a cool face because he edited away the smiley face, but I'm sure you're right about our Canadian members. I over reacted and just should have just let it go. I'm still keeping positive thought about this year.
My error...sorry!
I am feeling more confident than ever, that at least one of my two scheduled trips to Kipawa will happen!
- End of July
- The beginning of September
As for
@RHYBAK , I am certain he meant no harm, he's a good soul. Having your true intentions come across in type and emoji's is very difficult if not impossible. I have made great friendships here and cant wait to see you all again soon. I also can't wait to post another trip report yet this year and hope that
@Oarin can do the same.
Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
I do apologize if my reply came across that way.
I guess there is a lot of stress built up among the U.S. members for not being able to vacation for two years straight.
I guess I'm more of a realist and look at reality.
My thought are more towards getting this virus under control that trying to figure out a way to vacation in another country.
Borders are closed to prevent the spread of this virus, not to screw up somebodies fishing plans.
Sure, numbers are dropping, vaccines have been given out.
the virus is still here.
Two more shutdowns till Christmas.
Thanks RHYBAK. I over reacted. Like you say, the stress is getting to us. We haven't been able to see our grand daughters in more than a year. Sorry for my comment. Never should have done it.
Quote from: Oarin on May 12, 2021, 11:31:12 AM
Thanks RHYBAK. I over reacted. Like you say, the stress is getting to us. We haven't been able to see our grand daughters in more than a year. Sorry for my comment. Never should have done it.
No Problem
I totally understand
This stress is getting to all of us.
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 12, 2021, 09:47:23 AM
Two more shutdowns till Christmas.
LOL...I thought I was a pessimist!! You can't ignore the facts.
Ontario cases have been chopped in half over the last two days. All things hospital related are going down. Daily current vaccination rates here in Ontario are exceeding every state. People really want to get vaccinated. We are coming up to levels of the total percentage of the population vaccinated to some states. We will likely exceed most state final vaccination rates, we don't have a core part of the population that is vaccine avoidant.
The border will open and not shut down again. Just look what is happening in the states. Even with a good percentage of the population basically not playing along your numbers continue to fall. There will be no reason to keep the borders closed. I think if you have an August or Sept trip planned you're going this year. July wouldn't surprise me. These vaccines are that good but what did you expect them to do?
Quote from: chiaro on May 12, 2021, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 12, 2021, 09:47:23 AM
Two more shutdowns till Christmas.
LOL...I thought I was a pessimist!! You can't ignore the facts.
Ontario cases have been chopped in half over the last two days. All things hospital related are going down. Daily current vaccination rates here in Ontario are exceeding every state. People really want to get vaccinated. We are coming up to levels of the total percentage of the population vaccinated to some states. We will likely exceed most state final vaccination rates, we don't have a core part of the population that is vaccine avoidant.
The border will open and not shut down again. Just look what is happening in the states. Even with a good percentage of the population basically not playing along your numbers continue to fall. There will be no reason to keep the borders closed. I think if you have an August or Sept trip planned you're going this year. July wouldn't surprise me. These vaccines are that good but what did you expect them to do?
don't know where your getting your numbers
Saturday=2864
Sunday=3216
Monday=2716
Tuesday = 2073
today=2320
the only difference is the positivity rate. today was 5% where the last few days it was around 8.5%
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 12, 2021, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: chiaro on May 12, 2021, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 12, 2021, 09:47:23 AM
Two more shutdowns till Christmas.
Ontario cases have been chopped in half over the last two days.
don't know where your getting your numbers
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Tuesday = 2073
today=2320
We peaked mid April at 4800 so the last two days are LESS then half of that.
O.K.
I guess it's just the way you worded it" cut in half in the last two days"
Don’t apologize Oarin. We should be a little careful how we put things, and show some sensitivity.
As of a bit ago Health order and Mask mandate will end here in Ohio June 2nd. Not really sure exactly what it means by places like our grocery stores, bar compacities sporting events and whatnot. Didn't watch it just saw on our local news on FB. I've just kind of stayed away from people for the most part this whole thing and still think I had when you heard about it in China before it was even a thing here.. I still visit T-Bone, parents, friends and what not, just don't go out to the bar next to my house like I used to.(I'm 32 for people who don't know me) Maybe a handful of times total since it started. It was really nice to get out last weekend even though was cold and catch some Crappie with a good friend of mine.
I am probably going to have to get the Vaccine to Enter Canada if they happen to Open this year.... Not yet. (Please don't hate, just personal choice at this time)
Quote from: Mattie on May 12, 2021, 06:33:26 PM
As of a bit ago Health order and Mask mandate will end here in Ohio June 2nd. Not really sure exactly what it means by places like our grocery stores, bar compacities sporting events and whatnot. Didn't watch it just saw on our local news on FB. I've just kind of stayed away from people for the most part this whole thing and still think I had when you heard about it in China before it was even a thing here.. I still visit T-Bone, parents, friends and what not, just don't go out to the bar next to my house like I used to.(I'm 32 for people who don't know me) Maybe a handful of times total since it started. It was really nice to get out last weekend even though was cold and catch some Crappie with a good friend of mine.
I am probably going to have to get the Vaccine to Enter Canada if they happen to Open this year.... Not yet. (Please don't hate, just personal choice at this time)
No hate! I got the Astra Zenca 1st dose. I was a little bit hesitant to get it because of the blood clot warnings but it was the only vaccine available for people my age at that time. I got it partly to go fishing! I've got a flyin booked for May 26th. The one dose provides protection after a month. I haven't fished in over a year but I plan to double up on my fishing until the border opens. Can't fish right now at lodges in Ontario until the stay at home order lifts.
Thinking back it's kinda laughable that I was hesitant. How many vaccine shots have I had in my lifetime? A dozen, two dozen? Even if you're petrified of new mnra vaccines there are traditional vaccines like Astra Zenca.
Oh it's happening. Those borders will open. Our Canada stats mirror US stats just two months behind. If you look at Ontario stats it looks even better because we do not have the unchecked outbreaks they are having out west and out east.
I just love this part of the pandemic. Over 1/2 the entire population of Canada has gotten a shot, increasing by 2 million weekly. Then increasing to 2.4 million weekly in June. Figuring 80% will get vaccinated then everyone will have their first shot by mid June. Take heart our American brothers, it's happening!!