For you Folks who jig, do you vertical jig. Or do you swim the jig?
I was lucky enough to catch one Walleye and a few Northern Pike swimming a 3/8 jig with a plastic minnow on Ostaboningue.
Just curious how everyone does it, I have just started attempting to fish jigs.
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
If I jig, I'll vertically jig 90% of the time,. However, occasionally I'll horizontally jig. And on very rare occasions, I'll tie on a swimming jig with a leech or a crawler and cast it out as far as I can and then swim it back to the boat.
Jay
95% of the time I will cast my jig out,let it sink to bottom then slowly retrieve it back to the boat.
If I start losing jigs in the rocks, I mostly vertical jig or suspend the jig while watching my locator. My limited smarts has determined that those walleyes like a bit more movement when using a piece of crawler. Sometimes if I'm using a leech I'll rest it on the bottom a while. The fun of it is trying to figure it out cause those pesky walleyes don't always bite no matter what you do!
C.C.
Thanks for the replies Guy's, just trying to figure it out.
I caught my first Walleye on a jig vertical jigging using a leach while drifting in the chop. The last came swimming a paddle tail minnow, both were fun being as I have never used a jig.
The problem I have with casting and doing a slow retrieve
@RHYBAK, is I can't always feel bottom. As from what I have read, you are supposed to feel the bottom even when an 1/8 oz jig. I'm using a 7' uglystick with 8# mono, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong with that.
Jeff
For my casting,I use a 7foot St.Croix walleye rod,20 pound braid( Samurai) with a 2 foot fluorocarbon leader with the jig tied direct ( no swivel)
@RHYBAK, thanks.
I'll try some braid and see if that helps.
Jeff
Just an FYI
I use the bottom of the line St. Croix rod
I believe it's the Triumph series.
About 90 dollars.
@RHYBAK, I'll check them out.
Thank you Sir.
Jeff
Quote from: wvmedic on August 04, 2015, 10:55:54 AM
Thanks for the replies Guy's, just trying to figure it out.
I caught my first Walleye on a jig vertical jigging using a leach while drifting in the chop. The last came swimming a paddle tail minnow, both were fun being as I have never used a jig.
The problem I have with casting and doing a slow retrieve @RHYBAK, is I can't always feel bottom. As from what I have read, you are supposed to feel the bottom even when an 1/8 oz jig. I'm using a 7' uglystick with 8# mono, so I don't know what I'm doing wrong with that.
Jeff
Not much sensitivity in Ugly Sticks, try a 1/4oz jig and may help.
I use a 6'6 medium light Abu Garcia with 8lb mono and feel everything. Using braid I'd feel I lot more.
I use a 6 ft. St. Croix medium light Premier rod. With 8 lb. Crystal Fireline with a barrel swivel and a 2 Ft. 8 lb. fluorocarbon leader (sometimes 6 lb.). Tied directly to a 1/4 oz. round ball headed jig with a 3 inch twister tail and leech or worm. Then I jig vertically, jig drifting, jig casting and retrieveing,and use a jig slip bobbering ( 1/8 oz.). And yes troll backwards with a jig. With added split shot when needed. Yes I do, go ahead and laugh. But it works. And yes I do use a jig sometimes! I like a jig because you aren't fiddling around trying to get 14 hooks out of the mouth of the fish. Not that I don't use something else every ten years! Because you do have to change it up sometimes?
Thanks for the information Folks, I will try a more sensitive pole.
Jeff
Like Kipawa4, I too use a St. Croix 6 foot one piece Premier rod for jigging (PS60MLF). When I checked the St. Croix web site this morning, the MSRP for this rod was $120. I also checked out the rod that RYHBAK uses (Triumph series) and the MSRP for that rod is $90. The only difference between the two rods that I could discern from the web site was the guides - consequently, the Triumph may be the better choice. I use a Shimano Stradic C14 reel spooled with 8 pound Crystal Fireline and a fluorocarbon leader.
Jay
Thanks Jay.
@Jay Thomas,
@RHYBAK I bought a St. Croix Premier rod for jigging (PS66MLF2), it should be here today. I bought a Pflueger president 6930 to go with it, I'm going to spool it with 20# Sufix 832 and a fluro leader.
Jeff
good luck with your new outfit
Good afternoon Jeff. While I use 30 pound Suffix 832 for bottom bouncing and love the line, I personally wouldn't recommend you use 20 pound Suffix 832 on your new Premier (PS66MLF2) jigging rod - you might break your new rod. As well, 20 pound braid for vertical jigging is overkill and might impact sensitivity (walleyes can bite extremely lightly). As I have mentioned earlier, I vertically jig with a Premier PS60MLF rod and 8/3 Crystal Fireline.
Horizontal jigging is a different situation in my mind, one where I would step up the strength of line to say 14/6 Fireline in order that I could have a better chance of pulling jigs off snags.
I would be interested in learning which model St Croix Triumph rod RHYBAK uses.
Jay
@Jay Thomas I understand what you are saying about breakage, I went with 20# incase I hooked a big Pike. I might just try mono and see how it does.
I also went with the Premier over the Triumph because of finish, the Premier has a better lacquer coating.
Jeff
not 100% sure Jay , but I believe it is the TRS66MLF2
This year I am going down to the 15 pound J-Braid by Daiwa.
I found it at Le Barons and it is very reasonably priced.
Cheaper than the Daiwa Samurai.
Also a bit thinner in the same weight class.
RHYBAK, do you use a mono backing on your reel. I was thinking about uesing about 50 yards as backing. Though the Pflueger comes braid ready.
Jeff
For myself I tend to stick with 8-10lb power pro in a hi vis and a 3-4 foot floro leader (8lb usually) though I've also used fireline crystal in past with good success (usually without bothering with a leader). No swivels or other hardware and direct tie to the jig going as light as I can - usually a 1/8 or 1/4 oz - all about the sensitivity when vertical jigging I find.
For the hardware my favourite is a 1000 series stradic on a 6' medium light fast action st croix avid. Crazy light setup and give a fun fight.
I'll cast a small swim bait/curly tail on the same with a thumper jig too (with the little spinner under the jig) and move to a more regualr 2500 series reel (a stradic ci4 but really anything decent) and maybe a medium rod but probably still a me lgith but at Kipawa its usually just plain vertical or else a float if I want it away from the boat.
Quote from: wvmedic on May 16, 2016, 04:08:39 PM
RHYBAK, do you use a mono backing on your reel. I was thinking about uesing about 50 yards as backing. Though the Pflueger comes braid ready.
Jeff
wvmedic
If you do not put at least a few feet of mono on your reel first, the braid will not lock onto the reel and will turn on the spool as a complete ball.
The mono locks onto the spool.
you NEED that little bit of mono.
How big is the reel?
I tend to use the smaller reels for walleye and they only hold about 75 yards of braid comfortably.
Don't need much more for casting.
I've never used braided line...sounds like most on this thread prefer it. Are there advantages other than having no "memory"?
My Coca Cola group and I use 4 ft ultralight poles horiziontal jigging along the bottom using no more than 6 lb test mono (usually 4 lb ) and 1/8 jig heads .One of our group who is probably the most successful uses 2 lb test .All the tackle Im hearing sounds like hunting mosquitoes with a bazooka to me but that's just in comparison to my M.O. Using really light line and light poles allow us to feel even the lightest bites . I havent had ton of break offs due to hang up and cant remember losing a fish to line breakage .I have also over the years brought in an 8lb walleye ,a 12 lb pike , 5 lb laker ,about 5 lb whitefish . Maybe I've got horseshoes you know where ??? Not sure
Never been a tournament fishman so that fish has neer meant money or prizes but I know 1 thing for sure ....using ultralight poles ,with small reels and light line even the little guys are a major blast to catch and the biggins' ......LOOK OUT !!!!
@RHYBAK That is what I thought about the backing, though this reel has some rubber inserts around the spool.
It is a 30 series of the president, 140 yards of 6# and 120 of 8# mono is what it's rated for.
@pike mike I hear you loud and clear, I have just been worried about abrasion resistance. I realize that is over kill for 99% plus for the fish one would catch. I have a tendency to go a little overboard on things I suppose. I just have the 10 pound Walleye and the 20 plus pound Northern on my mind when considering line.
For the average fish we catch, I would have no problem with 4# test.
Jeff
Quote from: pike mike on May 17, 2016, 09:15:14 AM
My Coca Cola group and I use 4 ft ultralight poles horiziontal jigging along the bottom using no more than 6 lb test mono (usually 4 lb ) and 1/8 jig heads .One of our group who is probably the most successful uses 2 lb test .All the tackle Im hearing sounds like hunting mosquitoes with a bazooka to me but that's just in comparison to my M.O. Using really light line and light poles allow us to feel even the lightest bites . I havent had ton of break offs due to hang up and cant remember losing a fish to line breakage .I have also over the years brought in an 8lb walleye ,a 12 lb pike , 5 lb laker ,about 5 lb whitefish . Maybe I've got horseshoes you know where ??? Not sure
Never been a tournament fishman so that fish has neer meant money or prizes but I know 1 thing for sure ....using ultralight poles ,with small reels and light line even the little guys are a major blast to catch and the biggins' ......LOOK OUT !!!!
Mike
i really think you should put your glasses on the next time your spooling line onto your reels.
You will finally notice the 1 in-front of the 4.
Quote from: NortonJoe on May 17, 2016, 08:50:37 AM
I've never used braided line...sounds like most on this thread prefer it. Are there advantages other than having no "memory"?
No stretch and low visibility (e.g. Berkley's Crystal Fireline).
Jay
you guys make me laugh......you are a retailer's dream!!!
i'm still using my 1984 model Shimano Aero reel with Shimano rod spooled with Berkley line from 2010. I pull off 20 yards of the stuff every spring and away I go.
When I get to be your age Rhyback I will probably need glasses but so far no problem LOL
Well as far as being a retailers dream, I needed another rod. So I purchased a quality rod, it needed a reel. So, I bought a decent mid range reel. I don't buy or own a hundred rods and reels, I have a heavy trolling rod and reel, a ugly stick setup, a catfish/saltwater setup and now a jigging setup.
I try to be frugal, though when I put money down on things like this, money that I don't have much of. I try to buy the best I can afford, one so it will allow me to enjoy my time on the water with as little frustration as possible.
Two, in hopes that if I am still kicking and hopefully fishing in the year 2036. My gear lasted me that long, if that isn't the case. Well I hope my Kids or Grandkids are using it.
Jeff