Hey all, I'm fairly new to walleye fishing. Historically I'm a hardwater trout guy and bass/ panfish in the summer. The past couple years I've gotten into walleye since I've been coming to Kipawa and purchasing my own boat. Catching Walleye is pretty basic at low light level times, find your favouring shoal and throw down a jig with live bait, or slowly troll a worm harness. I'd like to broaden my horizons a bit and start to figure out some day time walleye tactics on both Kipawa and else where.
First location, obviously the walleye are going deeper during full light period of the day. Should I be going to my same favourite shoal and just fishing the deeper area's around them, or should I maybe go find a deeper shoal, say 30-40' with 80-100' all the way around and fish the high spot?
Next presentation depth- should I be trying off bottom, or looking for suspended fish? If I'm pulling a crank bait or harness, what depth? 20-30' down over deep water? or say If I'm fishing a hump try and troll at the depth of the high spot, so I can get suspended fish around the hump but then close to bottom as I go over the hump?
And finally technique... bottom bouncing? jetdiver/ dipsy, or vertical jig but in deeper water?
I know there will be no hard and fast rules for any of the above questions and a lot of variables are at play, but just trying to figure out a baseline on where to start catching some day time Walleyes. Thanks for any advice.
What time of year you talking?
In June, my favourite spots are tight against the shoreline with a float set at 7 feet.
Not 6 feet and ask Jay why , but 7 feet.
June daytime is considered low light because of the angle of the sun in the sky.
OK Jay, why 7 feet?
Quote from: RHYBAK on June 06, 2016, 11:11:04 AM
What time of year you talking?
In June, my favourite spots are tight against the shoreline with a float set at 7 feet.
Not 6 feet and ask Jay why , but 7 feet.
June daytime is considered low light because of the angle of the sun in the sky.
Huh, really eh? I would have thought deeper water for sure. I will certainly give that a try. And come to think of it, my first trip to Kipawa my dad and I were catching walleye in that kind of water off a rock face in early July.
Any tips for July/August?
Dragging a jig along bottom 18 feet
WillageD
Here is a web site you might find useful
http://www.walleye411.com/walleye-habitats/
Quote from: Oarin on June 06, 2016, 11:18:26 AMOK Jay, why 7 feet?
Years ago, my group and RHYBAK's group were slip bobbering walleye in late Jun out of 3 Seasons Camp. RHYBAK and his fishing partner had enjoyed success with the bobber knot set at 7 feet and he advised me to do the same. When I arrived at the location, unexplainably, I set my bobber knot for 6 feet. While I caught several walleye that night, I caught more pike. When I shared my results with RHYBAK and everyone else in the fish cleaning house, RHYBAK reminded me that he had said 7 feet, not 6 feet. Everyone in the fish cleaning house broke out into loud laughter. Consequently, for the next couple of years, I was always reminded that I should have fished at 7 feet not 6. ;D A fond memory.
Jay
Consider the lake is deeply stained with tannin. So light levels are not always a huge consideration. When trolling I use chrome or shad colored lures with lots of motion and some noise like clacking bearings in it to attract walleye. I've also had luck with an almost black and dark green diving shad rap. I don't use them but me thinks spinners and spoons should also work well. In the evening try casting to shore and haul in back in with jerking motions. I got several fish jerking the rod hard in succession, that seemed to trigger strikes as well. I'll often do all my jigging with a basic 1/8oz. jig and worm just dragging it along the bottom till i find what depth they're hanging out in. when nothing else works I'll just smoke a cigar and drink a beer and just drown worms. easy peasy.
Quote from: WillageD on June 06, 2016, 10:45:22 AM
Hey all, I'm fairly new to walleye fishing. Historically I'm a hardwater trout guy and bass/ panfish in the summer. The past couple years I've gotten into walleye since I've been coming to Kipawa and purchasing my own boat. Catching Walleye is pretty basic at low light level times, find your favouring shoal and throw down a jig with live bait, or slowly troll a worm harness. I'd like to broaden my horizons a bit and start to figure out some day time walleye tactics on both Kipawa and else where.
First location, obviously the walleye are going deeper during full light period of the day. Should I be going to my same favourite shoal and just fishing the deeper area's around them, or should I maybe go find a deeper shoal, say 30-40' with 80-100' all the way around and fish the high spot?
Next presentation depth- should I be trying off bottom, or looking for suspended fish? If I'm pulling a crank bait or harness, what depth? 20-30' down over deep water? or say If I'm fishing a hump try and troll at the depth of the high spot, so I can get suspended fish around the hump but then close to bottom as I go over the hump?
And finally technique... bottom bouncing? jetdiver/ dipsy, or vertical jig but in deeper water?
I know there will be no hard and fast rules for any of the above questions and a lot of variables are at play, but just trying to figure out a baseline on where to start catching some day time Walleyes. Thanks for any advice.
If I've learned one important lesson over the years fishing walleye, it's don't go fishing with preconceived ideas about where the walleye are. Sure you can check areas like that but always be prepared to change locations, depths and tactics. Throughout the season, you can catch walleye in 3 feet of water along a mud line at high noon under bluebird skies or along a wind blown shoreline. While I concur that low light conditions are primary times to fish walleye, I contend walleye can be caught anytime.
I usually bottom bounce to find walleye. I back troll along a shore line or on a submerged hump in an S pattern in order that I fish both shallow water and deeper water in order to hone in on preferred depths at that time. I fish walleye in mid Aug and Sep now so my water depth varies from 10 feet to 40 feet. I never fish walleye deeper than 40 feet. Anytime I find pods of walleye, say 10 or more walleye, I'll anchor or drift and vertically or horizontally jig. While I occasionally troll a crankbait, it's just not my preferred method. However, if that's what I had to do to catch those walleye, you can bet I would be doing it.
Jay
On a typical Canadian Shield lake, I would just start at 40FOW and drift or troll up to 10FOW in your typical walleye areas. You'll soon figure out where they are sitting. Trolling at 20-30FOW along breaklines can work to target the larger females when it's sunny and calm. If there are any rapids or strong current the walleye will be there all day long (don't think Kipawa has much of that though). I also always look for any areas where rivers, streams and creeks enter the lake. Baitfish are often here so these areas can often be a productive spot all day long.
Other than that, I use the wind to my advantage. Fishing areas around points where there is an obvious rough/calm separation in the water has been productive for me.
If the mayflies are emerging, then mud bottoms and sand flats have produced all day long for me as well.
Not sure I would bother trying to target suspended fish. I am not even sure that's a common behaviour in inland lakes. I suppose it depends on what type of bait fish school/ball up. I've never seen it though.
Thanks for the tips and feedback. Lots to get out there and try this summer. Keep it coming if anyone has more to add. Much appreciated!
Quote from: RHYBAK on June 06, 2016, 11:11:04 AM
June daytime is considered low light because of the angle of the sun in the sky.
You have me confused, Mr. Rhybak. Don't you mean June daytime is considered "high" light because the sun is at it most-direct angle to the earth's surface (especially nearer the North Pole), thereby penetrating deeper into the water? A low angle would only penetrate 'across' the suface of the water and not nearly as deep; a higher angle would be straight 'into' the water, thereby going deeper.
I don't know if any of this matters. I see plenty of fishing shows where the guys are catching piles of walleye in the middle of the day without a cloud in the sky anywhere. If it's bright and sunny like that midday, you'll find me in camp sitting under a shady tree with a Bleue. Not a fan of baking in an aluminum boat with no means of cover other than a splash of Coppertone and a ball cap....ESPECIALLY if it's mid/late June at the 50th parallel.
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Quote from: T-Bone on June 07, 2016, 03:27:03 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on June 06, 2016, 11:11:04 AM
June daytime is considered low light because of the angle of the sun in the sky.
You have me confused, Mr. Rhybak. Don't you mean June daytime is considered "high" light because the sun is at it most-direct angle to the earth's surface (especially nearer the North Pole), thereby penetrating deeper into the water? A low angle would only penetrate 'across' the suface of the water and not nearly as deep; a higher angle would be straight 'into' the water, thereby going deeper.
I don't know if any of this matters. I see plenty of fishing shows where the guys are catching piles of walleye in the middle of the day without a cloud in the sky anywhere. If it's bright and sunny like that midday, you'll find me in camp sitting under a shady tree with a Bleue. Not a fan of baking in an aluminum boat with no means of cover other than a splash of Coppertone and a ball cap....ESPECIALLY if it's mid/late June at the 50th parallel.
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T-Bone
Whatever
Go out of the box a bit this year
Buy yourself a couple of Molson Authentic 1908 Ales.
Maybe a bit more expensive but worth it.
9 days
Just punking you...it's been a while since I have... :P
I am going out of the box this year; I'm only going to commit to jigging for those pesky 'eyes 95% of the time. I'm affording 4% to slipping, and 1% to trolling. ;D
Molson. Not bad beer. I'll give it a try at the Temrose on Friday evening to see if I like it. Is it higher % alcohol...like a 'craft' beer? I tend to shy away from those...the human body regulator that manages headache production and intensity doesn't like those.
Quote from: T-Bone on June 08, 2016, 08:51:20 AM
Just punking you...it's been a while since I have... :P
I am going out of the box this year; I'm only going to commit to jigging for those pesky 'eyes 95% of the time. I'm affording 4% to slipping, and 1% to trolling. ;D
Molson. Not bad beer. I'll give it a try at the Temrose on Friday evening to see if I like it. Is it higher % alcohol...like a 'craft' beer? I tend to shy away from those...the human body regulator that manages headache production and intensity doesn't like those.
6.8%
regular beer 5%
U.S. beer 1%
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
I don't know...I can pound those Bleues like they're water and never really seem to get past Stage 1 inebriation. You do know the four stages of inebriation, right?
6.8% too high...may as well have a glass of wine. BUT, I'll give it a try...just for you...
Quote from: T-Bone on June 08, 2016, 10:07:51 AM
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
I don't know...I can pound those Bleues like they're water and never really seem to get past Stage 1 inebriation. You do know the four stages of inebriation, right?
6.8% too high...may as well have a glass of wine. BUT, I'll give it a try...just for you...
They sell them in Quarts.
Buy one at the gas station to try.
I bought one to try and haven't turned back.
Quote from: RHYBAK on June 08, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
Quote from: T-Bone on June 08, 2016, 10:07:51 AM
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
I don't know...I can pound those Bleues like they're water and never really seem to get past Stage 1 inebriation. You do know the four stages of inebriation, right?
6.8% too high...may as well have a glass of wine. BUT, I'll give it a try...just for you...
They sell them in Quarts.
Buy one at the gas station to try.
I bought one to try and haven't turned back.
We are SO bad for highjacking this thread.
here are the Ontario prices.
http://www.thebeerstore.ca/beers/john-hrmolson-bros1908
Quote from: T-Bone on June 08, 2016, 08:51:20 AM
Just punking you...it's been a while since I have... :P
I am going out of the box this year; I'm only going to commit to jigging for those pesky 'eyes 95% of the time. I'm affording 4% to slipping, and 1% to trolling. ;D
Molson. Not bad beer. I'll give it a try at the Temrose on Friday evening to see if I like it. Is it higher % alcohol...like a 'craft' beer? I tend to shy away from those...the human body regulator that manages headache production and intensity doesn't like those.
A little hair of the dog that bit you the next day cures the headache situation......
As the old wise man said, "Beer got you into this, beer will get you out".
And American beer may not be the greatest, but we've got Kentucky Bourbon, and that can't be beat!
Yep, most American beer is sorta OK.
I like a Texas Bourbon I recently discovered for very special occasions (a small batch bourbon, limited distribution, but very tasty).
Drinking is a part of my day time technique; fishing or otherwise.
Not much, but trying to get thread back to original...
Mid day for myself means bombing the shoreline with stick baits and cranks for Mr Pike and the odd walleye or trolling hotntots in 12 to 20 feet of water in early July. I have seen some nice fish caught in the middle of a sunny day. I do remember being in the fish cleaning house the night of Jays Bobber depth dilemma ,it was a riot
Our go to mid day and overall anytime trolling lure was a Cabela's Fisherman Seriesâ,,¢ Walleye Runner - 4.75" deep diver - White Skeleton.
Out - produced hot-n-tots, etc.
We also caught a 28" Lake Trout on a Swim Wiz - fortunately only hooked on one treble in the mouth, so released.
Long leads, 2.0 mph max.
We have also had limited daytime success fishing the channel on the south end of Corbeau for lake trout in mid-afternoon. Our group does not have lead core line or planers, so we actually just drift in 60 - 80 ft. of water with some type of silver flashing lure and a chunk of frozen herring. We have picked up some small ones, and even one 12lber that way in mid day.
Quote from: Marco on June 08, 2016, 03:59:06 PM
As the old wise man said, "Beer got you into this, beer will get you out".
And American beer may not be the greatest, but we've got Kentucky Bourbon, and that can't be beat!
Prove it.
Bring me some ;D
Be careful Marco...Mr. Rhybak is a sneaky one....
Back on topic...has anyone every tried blade baits or shiver minnows for walleyes midday on Kipawa? I would assume a controlled drift, or very slow backtroll could work for this technique. I know a few spots near Alwaki where I want to try this tactic on this year's trip.
We seldom fish during the early afternoon. We basically relax at the cabin- read, nap, explore the area. Last year while my son was napping I grabbed a beer, cigar, and chair and tossed out a slip bobber with a red hook and leech off the shore of Taggart's outpost cabin. Caught 2 17" bass in about an hour. That's my idea of how to spend a lazy afternoon! Even if the fish don't cooperate the view down the lake is enough. 38 more days!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: RHYBAK on June 09, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: Marco on June 08, 2016, 03:59:06 PM
As the old wise man said, "Beer got you into this, beer will get you out".
And American beer may not be the greatest, but we've got Kentucky Bourbon, and that can't be beat!
Prove it.
Bring me some ;D
Sounds to me like Rhybak wants some American beer.
Quote from: SgtCrabby on June 09, 2016, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on June 09, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: Marco on June 08, 2016, 03:59:06 PM
As the old wise man said, "Beer got you into this, beer will get you out".
And American beer may not be the greatest, but we've got Kentucky Bourbon, and that can't be beat!
Prove it.
Bring me some ;D
Sounds to me like Rhybak wants some American beer.
Are you kidding me????
That is what you got from that???????
NOOOOOOO......I want some of that good Bourbon
Me too, with a side of those awesome Texas smoked ribs.
This thread makes me hungry and thirsty
I'm not bringing any Texas smoked ribs, but I am bringing some awesome Texas smoked brisket barbecue - I know, I smoked it.
Gee that would be tough to take lol
Yeah, it's hard to get good Texas barbeque, especially when I'm a native Texan, cook, and happen to have my own pit.
I use to work a big whopping pit that easily did 600 pounds of meat, at one time.
There maybe a reason I'm our group cook...
How cool I'd love to learn to do that. I love cooking.Been doing all the cooking at home since the kids were small.
Actualy, it's not hard with the correct equipment. You gotta have a smoker, not a grill, mine is similar to:
http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_653607_-1?cm_mmc=pla-_-Outdoor+Living+Grills+Smokers+Smokers-_-Google-_-Old+Country+BBQ+Pits+Wrangler+Smoker&sku=022369169&gclid=CjwKEAjw7e66BRDhnrizmcGc8VcSJABR6gaR1eeMqVZB27e-0oEQ2hMO1Ef5kHyUCSIdKYtIMF3R6xoCMAfw_wcB&kwid=productads-adid%5E98097435918-device%5Et-plaid%5E134715520398-sku%5E022369169-adType%5EPLA
The smaller chamber on the right and low is the fire box. It takes chunks of wood for fuel for smoking.
You can also use electric smokers (I never have) that do a good job:
http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_929391_-1?cm_mmc=pla-_-Outdoor+Living+Grills+Smokers+Smokers-_-Google-_-Masterbuilt+30+Stainless-Steel+Digital+Electric+Smokehouse&sku=025326299&gclid=CjwKEAjw7e66BRDhnrizmcGc8VcSJABR6gaRNfru_A7a8aPTW3kch0-CWU7-bXHLGEQNFz-OvMLNihoCQzXw_wcB&kwid=productads-adid%5E98097435918-device%5Et-plaid%5E101637330318-sku%5E025326299-adType%5EPLA
I'm not endorsing any, I just google smokers and grabbed the addresses.
Once you have a smoker, a big hunk of your meat, smoking wood, it takes time. My briskets take 16 hours of cooking. Ribs about 8 hours, chicken - 3-4, fish about an hour (I love pike smoked!).
Different meats use different woods, mild meat needs a milder smoke.
Brisket is my favorite.
Get fire going, keep smoking chamber heat low, put meat on, open a beer. 🍻
Check temp after sipping every beer.
Remember; I cook for 16 hours, pace your beer, so you can finish the brisket without falling down.🍻
Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread