It’s raining here all day, has me day dreaming of something a little bigger in my boating life. I feel somewhat like a rat floating around on a cork, in an ocean, when I take my Lund 1650 Sport out on Lake Erie. When I’m in Canada “my preferred place to fish†my boat is perfect for Kipawa and I love it. Plenty of room for 2-3 people to fish in comfort.
I like to fish Lake Erie in between time, mostly to fill freezer with tasty walleye , but I feel like the forecast has to be perfect for me to attempt it and perfect is a rarity on Lake Erie. I now have two grandsons that are showing great interest in fishing as well as their fathers.
My question and I know it’s loaded with variables, but what would be a good boat to serve both purposes and what if anything is wrong with fiberglass? I see most fishing boats seem to be aluminum. I know you would need a 30’ to be comfortable in 3-5 footers probably, but I just want safety and comfort in 2-3’ while my grand kids were on board.
The little looking I’ve done has me thinking 19’-21’ long and higher sides.
What would the best of both worlds boat look like? Oh and still be a descent boat to tow 475 miles.
Hi Chris,
My Dad ran a 24 foot Limestone Cuddy Cabin for a dozen years or so in the western basin of Lake Erie. I enjoyed fishing with him on the boat 20 times or more. Very stable boat and very dry. Easy to recommend the boat for great lakes fishing - maybe too big a boat to tow up to Kipawa.
Jay
Thanks Jay, easy of trailering is one of the main issues I’m guessing. I should have noted, I have a newer Chevy 1500 pick up with a V8 that I tow with.
I think a good target would be something exactly like Rhybak's yacht...uh...boat. ;)
Lund 2075 tyee
👌
Quote from: reelpro on August 02, 2020, 08:00:19 PM
Lund 2075 tyee
👌
That is one sweet boat with a equally stunning price. ??? I will need to find a rich dying uncle ;)
That does seem to be the size and type of boat that I would need, I just need to find something used and or similar style in a different brand.
I'm thinking of selling my Key West 244CC with twin Yamaha 150s, great for Erie but might seem overkill for Kipawa.
Hodgey, have you ever looked at " Kingfisher " boats. Made in British Columbia many used in inter-coastal waterways.https://www.marshsmarina.com/search/inventory/availability/In%20Stock/brand/Kingfisher%20Boats
I have seen many of the larger ( 24' / 32' ) in Ketchikan , Alaska.
The one shown Falcon 2025 would certainly handle Kip & Eerie. Price shown is Can. $. too.
Quote from: reelpro on August 02, 2020, 08:00:19 PM
Lund 2075 tyee
👌
I've got the 1950 Tyee with an inboard 5.0 liter Mercruiser.
Just right for travelling 29 km to camp.
Quote from: Captain Hali on August 03, 2020, 10:35:27 PM
Hodgey, have you ever looked at " Kingfisher " boats. Made in British Columbia many used in inter-coastal waterways.https://www.marshsmarina.com/search/inventory/availability/In%20Stock/brand/Kingfisher%20Boats
I have seen many of the larger ( 24' / 32' ) in Ketchikan , Alaska.
The one shown Falcon 2025 would certainly handle Kip & Eerie. Price shown is Can. $. too.
My Father in Law had a 19 foot KingFisher bass boat with a jack plate for bass tournament fishing.
Ever gone 70 MPH on the water? Effing fast....!
I agree with T-Bone, Rybaks setup is exactly what I'm looking at as well. It's the 1875 impact which is almost 19' Aluminum. More than enough room inside with the high side and same rail system as your 1650 rebel. The biggest issue I have with fibreglass is trailering with the boat, you ever get a bad road stones or rocks can make some marks and weight of the boat. All though I am a Lund guy there are other boats out there that are comparable to the lunds but some that aren't even close to the finer details that the top boats have going for them.
Thanks everyone for your input.
I earlier today had a nice chat via text with a forum member here about this topic which has given me some new prospective/angle to my boat situation. My real "number one" issue is needing higher sides and more length than I currently have with my Lund 1650 sport. Like I said earlier in this thread, at Kipawa, this is truly the perfect boat to fish out of comfortably with 2-3 people, even 4 with some occasional jockeying. It sips fuel and will do 32-34 mph on smooth water. The issue is wanting to be able to fish more comfortably/safely here on Lake Erie. I have two grandsons that I am introducing to fishing and hope to eventually get them "safely" out on the big lake for some walleye fishing. I am never going to decide to fish 3-4' waves, but want to be able to have 3-4' kick up and be able to make the 2-4 mile trip back to the dock safely.
My issue: I ain't made of money....... Dang it. So after my chat with the KFF member, I think a good decision has hit me. Sell all of my individual hobby devices and my current boat and put all of that money towards a bigger boat. I honestly would have to, to swing the prices I am seeing for even good used boats. I have snowmobiled for years and ready to hang up my helmet as well as my motorcycle helmet. I had my first crash last fall and I think its time. What really came to me is the individuality of both of those sports and how they are a bit on the selfish side. When I have the kids on the boat, we are all together enjoying the great outdoors and each others company and that makes me happy and I think more so than any of the other things I do. The days out with the boys, swilling sodas and racing across the snow like mad men needs to be over as well.... I am truly getting O L D, especially now as I am a few short years from retiring.
So the tentative plan: Sell all my Shirt this fall-winter- spring and hopefully find the right boat this fall and be ready for spring with a bigger boat I think 19' to 21' aluminum, higher sides and with 115hp would rock. I know the Lund is a premium boat, but I am willing to sacrifice some quality/reputation to be able to make this dream happen. We will see ???
this is what I'd buy. What I have now. I got it in 1999 and it withstood heck on Georgian Bay and got me back every time. Always a comfortable dry ride.
https://www.crestliner.com/super-hawk/1750-super-hawk/
The only thing that I would recommend if going to a 19-21 foot boat don't under power the motor. My boat was perfect 2 years ago and now put my 2 kids in back and my 90 struggles to get me up on plane. I know the biggest cost when buying a boat is the motor but if you are looking at fishing Erie and weather sneaks up on you. 1 it's nice to make it back to shore quicker, 2. you want to be able to get front of boat out of water to get up on top of the waves. Just my opinion.
Good tip
@Ozzy30 When I begin looking at higher sided boats, is there a general term that automatically dictates that feature or does it differ from MFG to MFG ?
Quote from: Ozzy30 on August 04, 2020, 01:57:58 PM
The only thing that I would recommend if going to a 19-21 foot boat don't under power the motor. My boat was perfect 2 years ago and now put my 2 kids in back and my 90 struggles to get me up on plane. I know the biggest cost when buying a boat is the motor but if you are looking at fishing Erie and weather sneaks up on you. 1 it's nice to make it back to shore quicker, 2. you want to be able to get front of boat out of water to get up on top of the waves. Just my opinion.
I agree with Ozzy.
A 19-21 foot boat requires at least a 150.
I'm sure, any used boat you find in that size range will have the proper sized engine.
Quote from: puckster_guy on August 04, 2020, 01:50:04 PM
this is what I'd buy. What I have now. I got it in 1999 and it withstood heck on Georgian Bay and got me back every time. Always a comfortable dry ride.
https://www.crestliner.com/super-hawk/1750-super-hawk/
Hi PG, that’s a sweet looking ride! You’ve had the boat since 99? How’s it held up for you?
It's kinda falling apart now. I lost the passenger side console and windshield when I flipped it and tried to right it. But it was loose anyway. hull is still solid and can take nasty weather. Looking at the cost of new boats I may just rebuild the interior. Motor is still good.
@Hodgey- with the exchange on the American dollar you should get one by Stanley Boats in Parry Sound, Ontario.
https://stanleyboats.ca/
There's a few on Kipawa (Lindros has one) and they would easily handle the swells on Erie.
Quote from: limacharley on August 05, 2020, 08:58:26 AM
@Hodgey- with the exchange on the American dollar you should get one by Stanley Boats in Parry Sound, Ontario.
https://stanleyboats.ca/
There's a few on Kipawa (Lindros has one) and they would easily handle the swells on Erie.
Beautiful boat$
My vote goes to a Skeeter wx2200 or a Warrior v208.. both these would be very nice on Kip as well ;)
https://warriorboatsinc.com/v21-21/ (https://warriorboatsinc.com/v21-21/)
https://www.skeeterboats.com/Skeeter-Boat.php?id=118 (https://www.skeeterboats.com/Skeeter-Boat.php?id=118)
;D
I am just tire kicking, honest! ??? I am not wanting to insight brand issues and loyalties with the post, just seeking insight that people may have.
What are people’s thoughts, knowledge and or experience been with the brand Crestliner? I found this 19’9†Crestliner close by and may want to go kick a tire on it, if it is still for sale. I know nothing about this brand and for that matter, any other than the Lund I have, which I know is top quality. This is a nice length and 150 hp with a kicker also and fishing gear, like downriggers.
(https://i.imgur.com/9ix0irw.jpg)
Crestliners are very popular in my parts Hodgey - a dealer east of Ottawa on the river sells many of them each year - you see as many crestliners around our waters as you do Lund or Princecraft.
The picture in your post.. that looks like a sweet well equipped boat.
Check out https://andrelalonde.com/ (the dealer about 40 minutes east of where I live).
Greg
seller replied that it is tentatively sold >:(
My fishing partner has the crestliner and it's a beautiful boat. When I compare mine to his there some things I like better on mine but there are also things I like better on his. I would consider buying a crestliner next time. My thought is that crestliner and lund are on the same playing field. (only my thought)
Nice boat! But if your looking for an Erie boat and can swing it I would look for a glass boat.. Night and day difference in ride.. If you find a glass boat you will get a better ride for sure. With that said one draw back in the older boats is rod storage is often for shorter rods.
I ran a 2150 Crestliner Sportfish for 13 yrs - excellent boat - lots of space inside high sides and handled big water great.
I would rate a Crestliner right below a Lund for build and performance quality
Perhaps better now - mine was a 2006
GL
Thanks guys for the input! I will keep looking, as this appears it maybe sold. Looked near perfect for my purposes, but still not certain the size is enough boat?????? 19'9" is only 3' longer than my current, but i think this Crestliner has higher sides and transom, I need to double check those dimensions, if it were still for sale or do one of you know that the 1950 is Lake Erie worthy "It appears so from the photos" the side look sufficiently high?
I had the sport fish model I think the sides are a bit higher on that vs fish hawk
Check the sides height vs Lund tyee or Crestliner sportfish
Those 2 are definitely Great Lakes models.
Just because I am curious.....What is a Starweld boats reputation? The name invokes thoughts of junk to me? is it the spark-O-matic of 80's stereo equipment?
Hodgey, I agree with the sentiment here on the board, Lund is certainly in the top tier of fishing boats, however the price does reflect that for sure. I run a Lowe, which I think most would consider in the "middle tier" of fishing boats.... I have a 16'6" (I know you are looking bigger) and I find it to have a very smooth and dry ride even in moderate chop. Mine is an 06' and the all welded hull is holding strong- no leaks what so ever. The 1800 series is 18'10" and typically come in around 10K cheaper than Lunds. Once again, Lunds earn the price tag with their unmatched fit and finish (My dream boat is a Lund Crossover 1775) but I've been more than happy with the quality of my Lowe.
Thanks
@WillageD for the insight. I love my Lund, but willing to change brands if necessary to get into the size boat I need.
As a complete unedjucated boat newb I ask...... What if anything is wrong with this boat? I've seen a couple for sale and their price is good?? Would it be a rough lake freindly boat? Is a jet propulsion an issue? Just wondering while I look around for a possible bigger boat. Plus I have always as a motorcycle guy thought of the Yamaha engine as a superior motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOa1Z8DMAeM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOa1Z8DMAeM)
The Tennessee boys had a guy that brought one of those up to Kipawa a couple times. Looked like a great boat for Kipawa...not so sure about Erie though.
My thoughts on that boat is great to jig from but unable to troll and no place for a kicker. If you wanted to mount rod holders or down riggers you are drilling into fibreglass. I don't know enough about them specifically but can't imagine great rod storage.(maybe though). Electric motor mounting probably an issue also.
I have been boning up on Great Lakes fishing boats as best I can, including the information gleaned here and I think I have a direction. I think I am going to focus on a 18.75'- 21' foot aluminum fishing boat. I think I'm going to take the center console out of the mix. I am going to have to shop used to get into the category of boat I want, preferably a Lund Tyee or Baron, but I am completely open to any reputable brand and would have snapped up the Crestliner had it not gone so quick. So keep your eyes pealed for a boat for me all! :D
Just found a Lund 1875 Pro IFS for sale 8)
It’s a lot of money 8)
If I sold ALLLLLL of my toys, I could maybe swing it 8)
There’s a nagging side of me saying “ its only 2.25’ longer than what you have†???
Because of the wanting dual purpose Kipawa/Lake Erie, should I be patient and wait for a 21’ ? When I look at the newer used prices on those, I nearly fall over, I would need to buy in the 2000-2010 models to be able to afford a Lund that size. I guess I need to be patient and wait for the right boat at the right price and boat selling season is coming soon.
Hodgey1
there is more to the boat than 2.25 gain in length
Look at the additional width and depth.
It all adds up to bigger boat with more room.
Look at the rod locker.
Two live wells?
More storage.
Heavier Boat
it all adds up
Still shopping, I need to sit down with the fiance department "boss lady" this weekend and have a serious talk with her. I don't want to spend a ton of money on a boat unless she see herself enjoying it as well when it looks like 30-50 k needs spent to get into the category of boat i would like. She never had fished prior to me dragging her reluctantly to Alwaki 3 years ago. She now is a fishing/leech tossing machine and loves our Sept's in Kipawa. With reitrment 4-7 years off, I see the boat as something we can do together, but thats my retirement fantasy, I need to see what she thinks.
In the mean time, I came across this boat that would be well within my current "No Consult with boss lady price" I know absolutley nothing about Ranger boats. Its a 2012 Ranger Reata 1850 RS fiberglass fish/ski boat. It looks nice, it maybe a craigslist scam? Price seems low?
https://toledo.craigslist.org/boa/d/holland-2012-ranger-reata-1850-rs/7180464524.html (https://toledo.craigslist.org/boa/d/holland-2012-ranger-reata-1850-rs/7180464524.html)
personally I prefer aluminum but that looks like it'll do the job at a reasonable price. The heavier fiberglass will handle a rough lake Erie well too. Lots of room inside.
Not sure if you want to compare to Canadian $$, but there is another one for sale in Ontario...slightly newer... This is very similar to my boat and I made a similar move 4 years go - out of the 16 foot aluminium into an almost 19 fiberglass. Comfortable, smooth, fast, stable... not sure if it helps me catch more fish... ::)
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-powerboat-motorboat/thunder-bay/ranger-1880-angler-reata-series/1517272008 (https://www.kijiji.ca/v-powerboat-motorboat/thunder-bay/ranger-1880-angler-reata-series/1517272008)
I don't think the seller has a price identified.
Greg
Quote from: Hodgey1 on August 20, 2020, 11:26:06 AM
It looks nice, it maybe a craigslist scam? Price seems low?
Go figure.... What did my mama teach me? If its too good to be true.... it is! That Ranger is worth probably $40k USD and asking $22k. I emailed for further info and was asked for email address and then never got a reply? Then I emailed for more info on another email account I have and got the same exact reply. I'm guessing its all about collect email addresses? Maybe they can sell such a list? Either way, when I'm King, I'm sending those people to the lion pit after a good week in the rack in the courtyard.
It’s a good thing I’m not President.
Eh Hodgey1.. found the perfect Erie boat for ya!
This thing will be a beast!! Better break out the cheque book HAHA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0c6O2AK6AI&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2xkIaVx3XJCMFmFDOdIPGWe9dR2h89Fn0zcf8IGfEYKaPljdDyYsGB2S0
Look at this baby..... Weldcraft? Looks like a tank, maybe just what a guy wanting to fish Lake Erie would need? Looks like its MFG out in Washington state. Anyone here have any knowledge of such a boat?
https://columbus.craigslist.org/boa/d/columbus-2016-weldcraft-angler/7184488312.html (https://columbus.craigslist.org/boa/d/columbus-2016-weldcraft-angler/7184488312.html)
how big is it?
Go look at it.......NOW
Quote from: RHYBAK on August 26, 2020, 07:45:18 AM
how big is it?
Go look at it.......NOW
It is a 19’. I am trying to get in contact , but of course Craigslist you have to weed through the BS
That's about 15-miles from my house....so if you come over to look at it, be sure to let me know...
37 hours???? only????? on a 4 year old boat??? Whaaaaatttt???
That is about $30,300 Canadian - that seems pretty darn good... that boat could probably handle a much bigger motor than a 90hp... but a 90 would get you where you need to go.
as RHYBAK said... go look at it... NOW... (and visit T-Bone).
What a interesting boat. Nothing like a typical fishing boat like all the rest are laid out. This appears to be a very utilitarian design/bare bones. Might be the dual purpose I'm wanting, but I really would miss the front and back flat, raised fishing platforms for jigging on the likes of a Lund & other brands of fishing boats. This appears to be geared mostly as a troller? I need to first see if its not a scam ad, like the last two have been for me, then look more into its functionality.
https://www.marksmarineinc.com/inventory/v1/2017/Weldcraft/By-Model/Angler/18---5114611?1=1&img=11 (https://www.marksmarineinc.com/inventory/v1/2017/Weldcraft/By-Model/Angler/18---5114611?1=1&img=11)
Good looking boat, that boat around us Greg would be listed for $45,000. Right now not much out there. Good luck Hodgey
I looked at the pictures.
Yes, a very nice trolling boat.
As for the casting decks, Who cares.
That is for one or two trips to Kipawa. You can deal with that.
Use the cooler cushions as a casting deck
With a boat built like that, you will enjoy trolling close to home more often which will be a majority of your fishing
Quote from: RHYBAK on August 26, 2020, 10:14:31 AM
I looked at the pictures.
Yes, a very nice trolling boat.
As for the casting decks, Who cares.
That is for one or two trips to Kipawa. You can deal with that.
Use the cooler cushions as a casting deck
With a boat built like that, you will enjoy trolling close to home more often which will be a majority of your fishing
Good points.... ??? Still waiting to hear back and see if it is a legitimate seller
take your time
fall and winter are coming and more boats will be advertised
people will need money if the economy goes for a dump after the election
I would hold out for a 20 or 21 footer Hodgey
@Ozzy30 ... I agree!! I was helping a friend last night look for boats online and the one he is targeting is close to $50k... (we might go to Toronto on Saturday just to look at it ... supposed to rain like crazy anyway). After looking around for about 3 hours online yesterday, the market is definitely very different than when I bought 4 years ago. Hard to believe 5 to 10 year old boats are worth that much!!!
It's a sellers market. I could probably get what I pd for my boat less the taxes as I pd 4 years ago. I bought in 2016 and my boat jumped 5k the next year to buy. I'm looking but not obsessing yet.
I picked a fine time to think about upgrading my boat ??? I am going to be patient and not do anything crazy, at least too crazy ;)
I read a little about this Starweld boat, aparently it is designed for rough water. When the center windshield is closed, the back part of the boat is protected from water over the bow. The walk through to the bow is actually a walk up and over and also includes water scuppers that drain out the side of the boat if water came over bow. Nice design for rough waters.
(https://i.imgur.com/JOlojZl.jpg?1)
Hodgey1
between you and me, I would never be caught dead out there if the water was that rough anyways.
The only thing I don't like about that boat is the width.
A bit narrow for a boat that size.
Quote from: RHYBAK on August 26, 2020, 02:39:14 PM
between you and me, I would never be caught dead out there if the water was that rough anyways.
Agreed, I as a boat newb was just impressed with the design. Allowing water over the bow to divert out drains was pretty cool. I would never decide to go out on Lake Erie, unless wave forecast was for 2’ or less and now I’m only going when the predictions are for 1’ or less. I’m a fair weather fisherman for the most part, unless we are talking light rain and light chop jigg on kipawa 8)
Quote from: Hodgey1 on August 26, 2020, 08:04:37 PM
Quote from: RHYBAK on August 26, 2020, 02:39:14 PM
between you and me, I would never be caught dead out there if the water was that rough anyways.
Agreed, I as a boat newb was just impressed with the design. Allowing water over the bow to divert out drains was pretty cool. I would never decide to go out on Lake Erie, unless wave forecast was for 2’ or less and now I’m only going when the predictions are for 1’ or less. I’m a fair weather fisherman for the most part, unless we are talking light rain and light chop jigg on kipawa 8)
Hodgey1
Exactly
Quote from: RHYBAK on August 26, 2020, 02:39:14 PM
Hodgey1
between you and me, I would never be caught dead out there if the water was that rough anyways.
The only thing I don't like about that boat is the width.
A bit narrow for a boat that size.
It is probably a bit narrower than the standard boat that size because it's designed for rough water. The narrower hull will run better/smoother in rough water. Less hull to smack on waves. I looked at boats in this style but the trade of is always storage.
I do like the windshield though! That would be awesome for trolling Quite in December with a full enclosure and a heater HAHA!
2014 Lund Tyee 1900 ? Hmm, wish it was a litttle longer, but the Tyee is one nice fishing boat.
On Facebook Market place, so an actual real person and not the scam BS of Craigslist. I might go look at it. Lake Erie worthy? When I look at the Lund literature, it lists the Tyee as a big water boat. As I have stated before, I am never deciding to fish Lake Erie on a rough day, just wanting some more security if it were to get rough while out with kids. Is 19’ Tyee that boat? The rod storage alone would be awesome.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/329612528205604 (https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/329612528205604)
I did fine on Georgian Bay with my 17 ft Crestliner. I've been caught in some big waves and came out good. That 19ft Lund will do fine for your plans on Erie.
That's a very nice boat but I'm sure the price is still holding you back
Quote from: RHYBAK on August 31, 2020, 08:04:48 AM
That's a very nice boat but I'm sure the price is still holding you back
You sniffed that right out. The boat is 6 hrs away and I wanted to negotiate prior to driving there. Lets say they didn't go my way ::)
The fiance minister "my wife" gave me a cap that was not in his wheel house.
Honestly I'm glad, since I think I need to hold out for exactly what I want. The length was good, but I really like having a front and rear seat platform and I also would like a kicker. If money wasn't a issue, I would order exactly what I want new, but $$$ is a issue.
I need to continue to be patient "thanks Lima", even if that means waiting another year.
found a perfect boat for you
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2021-lund-219-pro-v-gl-sport-7513175/?utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=boat%20trader%20dynamic&gclid=Cj0KCQjwv7L6BRDxARIsAGj-34rsL0cd_ceE161Fo4BiULcYaFKsBKtYpp-a75f1OjiGtyqBIcO6PaAaAjpEEALw_wcB
or this it is in your budget and great for Erie
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1989-wellcraft-340-scarab-6796374/
Hodgey,
Get the boat that's right for your home waters. Use good judgment when on other waters (is it to rough?).
My boat is good on my southern waters; shallow draft, low freeboard, blunt prow. Terrible in rough water, but good for what I use it for, which is shallow water, it can operate in a foot of water.
Quote from: SgtCrabby on August 31, 2020, 10:24:53 PM
Get the boat that's right for your home waters.
Sound advice Sgt.
What is kind of ironic in my thinking about buying a new boat is the fact that the first boat I found a month ago was a near perfect boat "19.5' Crestliner Superhawk" at a price I could swing. By the time I learned what a good fit it would be for me, it was sold. I am shocked at how few fishing boats are out there for sale and the ones that are available how much is being asked for them. I'm shopping a 500 mile radius also.
Patients Grasshopper, Patients.
Quote from: RHYBAK on August 31, 2020, 01:49:25 PM
or this it is in your budget and great for Erie
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/1989-wellcraft-340-scarab-6796374/
Great for high speed trolling...
Take your time Chris.
When the border opens, you'll have more options to consider and besides you shop with a 1.30% dollar.
I found a sweet boat!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/597837544435453 (https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/597837544435453)
Think about the hole-shot!!!! Up on plane in 0.2 of a second!
Quote from: Hodgey1 on September 01, 2020, 08:18:31 PM
I found a sweet boat!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/597837544435453 (https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/597837544435453)
Perfect
Take it, it comes with six rod holders
Have you considered a really large pontoon boat?
Say...a 25 footer with twin screws. Equipped with downriggers, plenty of room to jig for 4-5 people.
Unsinkable....can take the waves. Lots of storage. Has a bathroom for the misses...
Better priced??
LC, I had someone else suggest the same thing. Two things come to mind when I thought about it. One is towing such a monstrosity 480 miles one way to Canada and also, when think lake Erie, is that a safe boat for rougher weather conditions? I have been out on lake Erie on and off for the last 40 years and never seen one out in the Lake fishing and or trolling. Are they a viable option, knowing my needs? Would I maybe become a trend setter on the big lake 8)
Interesting to think about though ???
It sounds like you need at least 2 boats maybe 3. Do you play the lottery?
Quote from: Gary S on September 02, 2020, 09:35:08 AM
It sounds like you need at least 2 boats maybe 3. Do you play the lottery?
Very true ;D
I am extremely pleased with my current boat while at Kipawa and am getting by on my home waters when conditions allow, so I just need to be patient for a a cream puff 19'-21' used boat to come available. I read in the paper this morning that boat sales where up 30% over the same period last year. Not good for a guy looking for a boat.
Do you plan on being on Erie or Kipawa when it's rough?
Quote from: limacharley on September 02, 2020, 10:24:40 AM
Do you plan on being on Erie or Kipawa when it's rough?
No, but like last September at Kipawa we motored in to Alwaki in a 2' windy chop and were soaked upon arrival, would have loved a full windshield. As stated before, I want to get my grand kids and son-in law's on the lake fishing. The 16.5 Rebel ain't cutting it for that, particularly if the seas where to pick up while a few miles from shore in Lake Erie. I want higher sides, transom, wider beam and full windshield. I am deffenetly going to be patient and wait for the right boat at the right price. The 1950 Crestliner I saw the first time I started looking, met that, so they are out there.
Hodgey, I'm new to this board, but have been in your shoes re: thoughts on new boat, safety, etc. plus costs.
You have a pretty decent boat in your Lund. How many trips out on Erie for Eyes are you looking at each year.
Play it safe, go out with a guide. Surely you have a few guides close by on Erie with the proper boats. Pay the guides for a couple days of fishing with your Grandchildren each year. Cheaper than huge investment in safer boat. For safer times on Erie go out in your Lund but I know Fall fishing on Erie can change very quickly. Over the years you'll be money ahead in gas saved, trip time hauling larger boat. You're like me a little older, enjoy life without major debt. Hoping to make my first trip to Kipawa this summer. I'll be in my Lund Fury1625XL. The guys I'm heading there with are a couple of seasoned Kipawanians.
Welcome to the forum Plowjock. Prepare to find yourself totally hooked by the magic of Kipawa on your first trip.
Are you the same plowjock as on the Fish Hawk forum? I've posted there numerous times about Kipawa.
Btw, are the guys you're going with members here?
Cheers
I think 3 of the group are members here. The one lad has been going up to Kipawa since 2005. He was never a great fisherman, but did catch a few. He enjoys the peace and quiet of the lake, loons etc.
Yes, I am that dude from the Fish hawk forum. I think I know of you also. Did you used to go to the Guoin Reservoir with Bill McQ.
Hey Plowjock, I kind of settled in on the points that you have made, particularly the money and as you mentioned, I can see the finish line with work.
I spent the entire summer & fall searching for the right boat at the right price and it did not happen. When I look at what I like doing most “fishing at Kipawa†i already have the perfect boat for there in the 1650 rebel. As for paying for a charter with the kids, I even have a Freind who would take us for free. The only problem I see with that and charters is the having to commit to go and having to go even if seas aren't my cup of tea.
I really think my boat search is about over and settled into the thought of keeping the boat I love. Especially since looking at the prices. I think I would need to be willing to lay down $45-$60k USD to get into a reliable/newer boat. I now have scheduled to take the kids and their dads to Kipawa this year, i cant wait! “Border opening dependent of courseâ€
This will be your first trip to Kipawa? Where are you staying? As Smitty said, be prepared to fall in love with Kipawa, it is a drug I cant do without since finding it. It has a way of getting into your blood and calling you back for some more.
Hodgey1, our small group will be staying up north end at Smith Outfitters. My buddy has been going to Kipawa for last 16 years and one of his original group passed away and they spread his ashes up in area. I used to fish Bass Tournaments, but got too soon old too late smart. I now enjoy going after crappies and pan fish, lakers and those toothy critters, pike and eyes. I have fished Lake Temagami, Lake Temiskaming. I still enjoy the fall Smallmouth fishing. I have a 2015 Lund Fury XL pretty well equipped. Prior to that I had a 2007 BassCat Puma with a 250 HO and before that I ran a Crestliner Fishhawk 1650SC. I know what these back lakes can do to you. We should be there sometime early July from what I understand. By the time we get there I will pass the 3/4 of a Century mark.
Quote from: Hodgey1 on January 30, 2021, 10:41:41 AM
Hey Plowjock, I kind of settled in on the points that you have made, particularly the money and as you mentioned, I can see the finish line with work.
I spent the entire summer & fall searching for the right boat at the right price and it did not happen. When I look at what I like doing most “fishing at Kipawa†i already have the perfect boat for there in the 1650 rebel. As for paying for a charter with the kids, I even have a Freind who would take us for free. The only problem I see with that and charters is the having to commit to go and having to go even if seas aren't my cup of tea.
I really think my boat search is about over and settled into the thought of keeping the boat I love. Especially since looking at the prices. I think I would need to be willing to lay down $45-$60k USD to get into a reliable/newer boat. I now have scheduled to take the kids and their dads to Kipawa this year, i cant wait! “Border opening dependent of courseâ€
This will be your first trip to Kipawa? Where are you staying? As Smitty said, be prepared to fall in love with Kipawa, it is a drug I cant do without since finding it. It has a way of getting into your blood and calling you back for some more.
Just commenting on your Lund situation. I fished all of last summer on Kipawa with a friend on his Lund Pro-V 1975. Incredible boat, but they are very expensive brand new.
Good thing is, the hull on it hasn't changed since the late 90s. A older Pro-V (anywhere from 1998 to now) would work well for the stuff you want to do. We've taking his grandkids on it, gone tubing behind it and done a lot of fishing on it. Great for big water too, caught plenty of salmon on Georgian Bay (part of Lake Huron) with it.
Tows nice too.
If you could find one at a good price, it would probably be perfect for you.
Happy fishing!
Quote from: LanielKid on April 20, 2021, 12:59:21 PMLund Pro-V 1975. Incredible boat
I can't agree more, that would be a perfect boat for me if the right one came around.
I'm Still looking...... boats have been few and far between/non existent.
I just came across this old, yet gently used "Supposedly"
https://buffalo.craigslist.org/boa/d/lockport-2005-lund-pro-1900-ips-hull/7382987067.html
The owner says only used in inland waters. If thats true, it hasn't been pounded in Lake Erie the last 15 years. 15 years is old, but this looks like a cream puff. As long as the hours are right and the hull isnt beat to piss, buy it and upgrade the electronic, add a trolling motor and I have a sweet ride..... Maybe?
Wow, that boat does look in great shape. Wonder why it is selling.
However, I am still amazed a 16 year old boat can still fetch that kind of money.
Yes... add a kicker $5k, then a trolling motor (good one now a days is probably $3k) and then some decent front/back fish finders for another $2500 each - plus install, you are up to an additional $13 to 14k pretty quickly.
You only live once!
Thats a beautiful boat, huge front deck. That's 80-90k boat around here new. They are asking almost the same price what I paid for my old 2016 boat with over 500hours on it.
When I add up the numbers, like
@Greg mentioned for items that the boat needs, I could end up pushing $40k USD for a 16 year old boat.... Even though its in beautiful shape from photos. I also found a 2016 Crestliner Authority 2250 with the kicker, but no trolling motor, dealer price of $53k, NADA average retail is $46k. That would probably be a better purchase, since its 11 years newer.
The Crestliner has received decent comments here. It has welded construction vs. riveted is a big difference I see..... Unsure which is preferable or is it a Chevy v Ford thing?
Quote from: Greg on September 21, 2021, 08:04:19 AM
Yes... add a kicker $5k, then a trolling motor (good one now a days is probably $3k) and then some decent front/back fish finders for another $2500 each - plus install, you are up to an additional $13 to 14k pretty quickly.
For $5K in fish finders they should lead you to exactly where the fish are located, spot-mark them, and follow them around the lake like a floating detective casing a criminal. Sheesh...
Ha! Yes, T-Bone... two fish-finders, in Canadian $$, decent ones (10 to 12 inch) which can be networked and run a new I-pilot trolling motor, with all the cables and necessary networking hubs, along with the NEMA cable to connect to your motor - installed, will run me probably over $15k for my boat...(again in Canadian $$ so more like 11k in US).
Necessary for my type of weekend and vacation fishing? probably not, but the guys in the big tournament series throughout the US have 4 or 5 units, each one of those in Canada is $4k... before the trolling motor. It is nuts the cost of these things now. But do I still want to pull the trigger sometime and get a better network on my boat? Yep, absolutely. But it will be on a controlled budget.
Greg
Quote from: Hodgey1 on September 21, 2021, 07:24:40 AM
I'm Still looking...... boats have been few and far between/non existent.
I just came across this old, yet gently used "Supposedly"
https://buffalo.craigslist.org/boa/d/lockport-2005-lund-pro-1900-ips-hull/7382987067.html
The owner says only used in inland waters. If thats true, it hasn't been pounded in Lake Erie the last 15 years. 15 years is old, but this looks like a cream puff. As long as the hours are right and the hull isnt beat to piss, buy it and upgrade the electronic, add a trolling motor and I have a sweet ride..... Maybe?
I would really have the transom inspected! There has been many transom issues on aluminum boats over the past few years. My 2012 Alaskan had a rotten transom because of the wood they used. They completely replaced the transom under it's warranty. Was a very easy process to get this done but if your the second owner there is no warranty.
Quote from: Greg on September 21, 2021, 09:33:58 AM
Ha! Yes, T-Bone... two fish-finders, in Canadian $$, decent ones (10 to 12 inch) which can be networked and run a new I-pilot trolling motor, with all the cables and necessary networking hubs, along with the NEMA cable to connect to your motor - installed, will run me probably over $15k for my boat...(again in Canadian $$ so more like 11k in US).
Necessary for my type of weekend and vacation fishing? probably not, but the guys in the big tournament series throughout the US have 4 or 5 units, each one of those in Canada is $4k... before the trolling motor. It is nuts the cost of these things now. But do I still want to pull the trigger sometime and get a better network on my boat? Yep, absolutely. But it will be on a controlled budget.
Greg
I was at FishnTech in Quebec picking up my replacement Ulterra. Yup you read that correctly! Minn Kota completely replaced my 2019 Ulterra with a 2021 model under warranty!...
Anyways, the guys were telling me some of the rigging jobs they do include graphs,tms, power poles etc.. can run up and over $35,000! OUCH!
Quote from: GregL on September 21, 2021, 10:39:20 AM
rigging jobs they do include graphs,tms, power poles etc.. can run up and over $35,000! OUCH!
I need a different line of work apparently. ???
All of a sudden, I am seeing more boats for sale ??? A 2018 Lund Pro V with the kicker & trolling motor.
At 19' 10" Long and foam filled, does this get me into a boat I can fell somewhat safe taking grand children onto Lake Erie? I always feel like a cork in a ocean when I'm out in my 16.5' and wont take them with me. That is the main reason for shopping for a larger boat.
Its a bit more "ok, a lot more" than I was wanting to spend.......... but seems to be nearly the perfect boat for me. I have to speak with my Household Finance Minister "Wife" if she gives me the green light to look at it, I may buy it. I should have
@Ozzy30 talk with her ???
My only concern is the size, is it large enough to be out in the big lake when the weather kicks up. As I have mentioned somewhere in this thread, I would never launch into rough water, but would want to be ok if things turned while out there in the abyss of Lake Erie to get back to shore safely with my grand kids..
2018 Lund 1975 Pro V Sport ( bought new in July 2019)
2018 Mercury Verado 225 HP w/warranty until 2022 138 Hours on Motor
Tandem Trailer with Trick Step trailer mounted steps for easy access when boat is on the trailer
Kicker 2019 Mercury 15 HP ELPT w/warranty
Mercury Smartcraft (in dash)
Minnkota Ulterra 112 DI 60" w/Ipilot
Minnkota 4 bank precision charger
Lowrance Live 12" at dash
Lowrance up front
Binimi Top
Berts Track both side (rod holders not included)
4 side mount rod holders (included)
$50,000 USD
(https://i.imgur.com/Jj9QglK.jpg?1)
Thats a beauty boat and designed for big water. That is bigger than my boat and would be perfect to get you back to the launch on the big lake. If the big lakes are blowing even real big boats have a hard time but I would feel safe with that under my butt if it blew up. I have hockey with my young lad tonight but I could call her tomorrow hodgey if you want. :D
That is one very safe, sound boat for Big Water. You won't be disappointed. Price wise, darn close to a steal. My friend runs that same boat for his guiding service and have been in it a couple of times. I'll guarantee you, it will be the last boat you ever buy. No problems with the transom as they are now the new material instead of wood. Hope your Minister of Finance agrees to you purchasing such a fantastic vessel.
That's an awesome boat! Here in Canada, your main graph and tm would be close to or over 10g just for those 2 items! RUN don't WALK to it! LOL!
225HP.. man you are gonna fly!!
So, I made an appointment to speak with the Household Finance Minister "HFM" last night . Being the busy lady that she is and holding such a positon of power, she allowed only a few minutes of her time.
I came at the HFM with this well honed pitch:
- Saved money on fish purchases
- Saved money on CAD gas "51gal US fuel capacity"
- Dry rides to Alwaki
- Lessened chance for Melanoma from having a Bimini top
- Quicker spot changes when on a bad fishing location
- Her own live well
- Air ride seats
- Stereo System
I was shocked when not one made her excited to lay down ridiculous sums of family money. Then it came to me....... the grand kids. "Honey....Think about the tube we could pull" The HFM ,lifted a brow and with a whisper said "tube" I said YEA, a tube... we'll now have loads of HP baby and a ski pole to tow it. Long pause.............She get out of the chair and with check book in hand, she shrieks "HIT THE BUY BUTTON!"
Ok, the truth ::) I have a hand shake deal to purchase the 2018 1975 Lund Pro V. Yea baby! Transfer occurring this coming Wednesday. My wife and I traveled 50 miles to look at it last night, made an offer, they accepted. I took it for a quick whirl around the shallow lake they launched it into, loads of weeds. My wife is a saint, for putting up with me and my expensive hobbies. My real pitch to her was, I will sell my Lund Rebel, I sold my sleds last year and enclosed trailer. I hit a deer last year on my scooter and now ready to sell it and I also reminded her i will be dead soon...... She replied. Not soon enough ???
CONGRATS HODGEY! i THINK YOU HAVE A KEEPER! (PLUS THE NEW BOAT) LOL!!!!
That was one heck of a pitch. Pretty close to the same one I had this year with the purchase of the cottage and new boat. But we are going to look really good next year on lake kipawa. Congrats
CONGRATS MAN!! Awesome boat man!
Quote from: Hodgey1 on September 23, 2021, 11:30:14 AM
So, I made an appointment to speak with the Household Finance Minister "HFM" last night . Being the busy lady that she is and holding such a positon of power, she allowed only a few minutes of her time.
I came at the HFM with this well honed pitch:
- Saved money on fish purchases
- Saved money on CAD gas "51gal US fuel capacity"
- Dry rides to Alwaki
- Lessened chance for Melanoma from having a Bimini top
- Quicker spot changes when on a bad fishing location
- Her own live well
- Air ride seats
- Stereo System
I was shocked when not one made her excited to lay down ridiculous sums of family money. Then it came to me....... the grand kids. "Honey....Think about the tube we could pull" The HFM ,lifted a brow and with a whisper said "tube" I said YEA, a tube... we'll now have loads of HP baby and a ski pole to tow it. Long pause.............She get out of the chair and with check book in hand, she shrieks "HIT THE BUY BUTTON!"
Ok, the truth ::) I have a hand shake deal to purchase the 2018 1975 Lund Pro V. Yea baby! Transfer occurring this coming Wednesday. My wife and I traveled 50 miles to look at it last night, made an offer, they accepted. I took it for a quick whirl around the shallow lake they launched it into, loads of weeds. My wife is a saint, for putting up with me and my expensive hobbies. My real pitch to her was, I will sell my Lund Rebel, I sold my sleds last year and enclosed trailer. I hit a deer last year on my scooter and now ready to sell it and I also reminded her i will be dead soon...... She replied. Not soon enough ???
Hodgey1, as I said in my post yesterday, this will be the last boat you'll buy.
CONGRATS! well earned and the grand kids will really enjoy it.
Now, you're really in trouble. Having to admit when the wife opens her livewell, that you've been out fished.
Just kidding, I hope you really enjoy all the extra safety features of this fantastic boat.
I think you got yourself one heck of a deal at that price.
Thanks everyone for all the nice comments. This was a long process and filled with tough decisions. I don’t spend a single dollar, without first giving it thought, let alone 50,000 of them. I’m certain there was probably better places to spend that money, but not any I enjoy more that being on the boat, fishing with family.
Hodgey1, you forgot the next 2 most important reasons, Peace and Solitude.
I'll bet you after a days fishing, your relaxed and have enjoyed Mother Nature to Her fullest.
thanks Pjock & Fwiser
Here's some more photos of the aluminum black beauty.
(https://i.imgur.com/84rZ1ID.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YWRStbQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4HrGuVx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Si9jBWs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bNV0Z4C.jpg)
That's awesome!! Even came with trailer steps.. this is definitely an add on I am going to do!
Sexy boat man!
Great looking boat Hodgey! Congrats again.
Quote from: Greg on September 29, 2021, 05:16:57 AM
Great looking boat Hodgey! Congrats again.
Thanks Greg, I pick her up today!
Quote from: Hodgey1 on September 29, 2021, 06:53:41 AM
Quote from: Greg on September 29, 2021, 05:16:57 AM
Great looking boat Hodgey! Congrats again.
Thanks Greg, I pick her up today!
NICE BIG DAY!!! I'm really jealous of those trailer steps... that looks so convenient! I gotta add these to my rig!
I sold my boat last night to the first person who looked at it! 8) Crazy times we are living in. Picking up & paying for the new boat today and tomorrow we do the transfer of ownership on my old boat. WOW :o Good to be me for a change ;D
Quote from: Hodgey1 on September 29, 2021, 10:28:26 AM
I sold my boat last night to the first person who looked at it! 8) Crazy times we are living in. Picking up & paying for the new boat today and tomorrow we do the transfer of ownership on my old boat. WOW :o Good to be me for a change ;D
CONGRATS BUD!!!.. It is a good time to sell for sure!!..
Congrats man!!! Such a prized rig...so happy for you. She's a beauty...I can't wait to fish out of it. ;D
And you know...smallmouth on Lake Erie are just about ready to get going...and good. I'd be at your door in 3-hours. ;)