O.K. Sorry to start this topic but it is bound to happen.
Here in Toronto, we are leading up to the week of the Sportsman show.
Would you attend this show in light of the virus?
Is this virus going to affect your thoughts of leaving the safety of your home and travelling to Quebec for a week of fishing?
Has this virus already effected any travel plans?
I am still going to Peterborough to the tackle swap/show on Sunday... so if I was living in Toronto and planned to go to the sportsman show before, and was looking forward to it, I would probably still go, but be aware and cautious to minimize touching railings, door handles, etc. And maybe bring a little pocket size bottle of hand sanitizer.
As for going fishing up north... no second thoughts what-so-ever... part of why I do that is to get away from the crowds that come inherently of living in a big city.
No travel plans impacted, but I just returned from a vacation south 10 days ago. With Trump's announcement last night of closing down flights between Europe and USA, that will no doubt impact many. Wonder if some people can just come to Canada and then enter the USA through the border or come to Canada and then fly to Europe.
I haven't been to the sportsmans show in a few years. I gave up because of expensive parking and admittance. However That overblown bug isn't stopping me from doing anything. It did postpone a trip my wife had plans to see family in Italy. A six week trip in April and May. She isn't worried about getting sick just being caught in a quarantine. I had planned on using all that time at camp. She's looking at a fall trip now. For me? business as usual.
Meltdown here in Ohio and U.S. in general. I've had 14 trade shows wholly cancel worldwide in the past week. We're implementing a work-from-home mandate for almost all associates that are able to do so...effective tomorrow and running for 3-weeks at least. Most of my markets (all healthcare) are in total prep mode so business activity has come to a halt...with the exception of huge orders for isolation-related equipment. All primary business targets in U.S. and Canada (hospitals, pharmacies, elder care) have closed their doors to outside business visitors and vendors. Interesting times.
As for the Sports show...I'd go, but be diligent about space and hygiene....
And no way...if I'm allowed into Canada I'm going. Safer up on Kipawa than here in Columbus, Ohio.
And yes...I've had all my business travel canceled over the past 3 weeks, and it's indefinitely suspended until further notice. That totals about 6 trips here domestically. That's fine with me...wouldn't be too excited to get on a plane right now.
Wash your hands folks...be calm...and carry on.
I was at the PDAC in Toronto recently. There were over 25,000 attendees. A few delegations cancelled-Mongolia, certain Asian countries...etc
One guy from Sudbury was diagnosed on the following Saturday has having contracted Covid-19 and he also attended the very same show.
It's causing a kerfuffle in our industry as there were over 150 companies from Northern Ontario/Quebec at this conference.
I had another conference in Defense contracting cancelled an hour before arriving in the Soo yesterday. I drove 5 hours only to get notified to turn around.
I was notified a day before this conference that Oshkosh Defense had limited their travel so I'm guessing American companies are now being cautious about travel.
Our mayor who was at the PDAC has self quarantined himself. He's an idiot for doing that. He's just causing some panic.
I have another conference in Vancouver in May which I doubt will happen so my travel plans have been impacted somewhat.
No big deal. I'll stay local and make sales calls instead.
As for Kipawa-let the melting begin. I have a big push to finish a few projects-Joe can relate I'm sure.
As for the rest of you folk-I'd keep in contact with your lodges to make sure they can honor your fishing plans.
There are very VERY few things that could possibly keep me from our annual trip to Alwaki every June. The North seems like the safest place right now. I'm only a couple hours from Toronto, and there's little worry of the virus here. Would I visit Toronto (even for something as awesome as the Sportsman show)? Not a chance. Toronto might as well be Chernobyl to the rest of us in Ontario.
I'm sure it's not as bad as the media tells us, and it's all about protecting yourself and taking proper precautions. I would not be surprised if the show is cancelled, with so many other major events being shut down.
Hopefully no ones trip to Kipawa is impacted this year, I know i would devastated if I didn't get my Kipawa walleye fix for the year.
For those that are in major city centers that have confirmed cases of the virus, hopefully the spread is minimal and stay safe.
If it were me, I would probably stay away from a large gathering. My guess is that the show will be cancelled, however, I don't know the status of the virus in Canada. I'm hoping it has "run its course" by the time we head north for our fishing trip at the end of July! Or at least we have a handle on it.
I meet both of the criteria for concern, I'm old and I have pre-existing conditions, so I'm staying put until this thing gets under control. My trip to TBL isn't until mid July, so hopefully things will be fine by then. Stay safe everyone!
I guess
I may owe an apology.
I should rephrase my question.
How do our American Friend feel, thinking that the borders may be closed due to this virus?
@RHYBAK I think it will be under control by May...maybe I'm just being hopeful, dunno!
Quote from: RHYBAK on March 12, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
I guess
I may owe an apology.
I should rephrase my question.
How do our American Friend feel, thinking that the borders may be closed due to this virus?
I would be dumbfounded if they close the border over this. For what...if it's there, and it's here...what's the objective?
I hear the Canadian Government is going to close all border crossing to stop the spread ....lol... and yes we will still go to Kipawa
Gordo
Trump's ban on travel from Europe poses questions for Canada border
Canadian officials reviewing border policy as COVID-19 spreads across the U.S.
Quote from: RHYBAK on March 12, 2020, 07:29:23 AM
O.K. Sorry to start this topic but it is bound to happen.
Here in Toronto, we are leading up to the week of the Sportsman show.
Would you attend this show in light of the virus?
Is this virus going to affect your thoughts of leaving the safety of your home and travelling to Quebec for a week of fishing?
Has this virus already effected any travel plans?
Toronto Sportsman Show cancelled.
Stay home and watch Netflix for a month.
I think I'll just move to camp for the summer...
I wish my camp was winterized enough cause that's exactly where i would go for a few weeks
My wife and I work from home so the impact on us is minimal other than when we do go out, there are less people...
We've stopped going to the gym for a while. We cancelled a house hunting trip to the DC area in early March, just wasn't worth it. pretty much staying home and going for walks to get some fresh air.
China was burning bodies in December and January, so we have all been living amongst it since then... no one really put any travel restrictions on China until late Jan/ early Feb... with the world being so connected these days the number of infected in reality is huge, but there's no way to really know without enough testing for everyone to get tested... There's also no way to really know the mortality rate without accurate number of infected and deaths...
The only reason the world is reacting the way it is, because there is no known effective cure/ vaccine or medication. Best case is your body fights it off naturally which is does in the majority of cases except for those at higher risks who get their symptoms treated but not the virus in hope the immune system can fight it off.
All this to say, keep calm. This too shall pass, eventually.
In the mean time, hope everyone stays healthy.
Opening day is 2 months away ;D
https://www.680news.com/2020/03/16/trudeau-address-canadians-coronavirus/
Just read this same time I saw your link the CDN border closed to non-residents; hope that's lifted before May 20th.
Already working on back-up plans if that's the case...
darn.
@T-Bone The Canadian border is still open to USA residents - I watched our Prime ministers press conference today - and he got questioned on that during the Q&A - why was it not restricted to USA residents entering Canada???... his response "strong interwoven economy with the USA".
@Greg...just saw that last evening...and I slept like a baby... ;) Thanks. Still...this whole thing makes me more than a little nervous. I hear people I know and respect that describe themselves as 'skeptical' this whole thing is really as bad as being told. I simply said I'm not willing to risk if they're wrong.
Back to the countdown!!!
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T-Bone - I totally agree. Media has certainly latched onto this... I wonder if they gave the common flu the same attention and tracking graphics how it would stack up....
I find myself walking up and down the grocery isle and think ... Is it really that bad??? OH well, an extra package of pasta, an extra box of cereal, etc. Suddenly your cart is overflowing and you have 4 more isles to go!! HAHA.
Yes, lets focus on the count down! Unfortunately ALL the fishing shows got cancelled last weekend (Peterborough where I was headed, the sportsman show in Toronto)... unfortunate and a disappointment but the right thing to do to try to slow the spread down. The health system is getting overwhelmed - kudos to all the staff on the front line.
Ottawa has requested all restaurants, pubs, bars to now close... and many retail stores are closing also. I don't think we have seen the biggest impact yet. Back to the count down....
I only hope whatever good does come out of this, are sustainable improvements to how to mitigate the spread and treatment of respiratory illnesses in the future
This too shall pass and when it does it would be great if we learned something as a society which will help prevent thousands of death form the flu in future years or different mutates strains of the coronavirus)... wash hands all the time, disinfect touch surfaces regularly in all businesses and public spaces and transportation (and homes), more telecommuting permitted during peak flu seasons, more easily available tele-health for the medical industry, practice social distancing (or at a minimum avoid large gatherings) during peak flu season by habit, and wearing masks if sick anytime... (in more densely populated countries in asia, the sick people wear masks to protect the healthy people out of compassion (not the healthy people wearing masks to prevent from getting sick), more rigorous and disinfecting cleaning of all airplanes between flights.
Also I believe each country is going to be looking at how to not depend on China (and other closed societies) for their supply chains. It's hard to trust a country that covers up the start of a global pandemic with supplying critical healthcare items (like medications) and national security items/ components, not to mention they are a strategic enemy of the USA.
At the end of the day I also believe the USA will expand its SPR to 6 times the size to keep us energy independent from Saudia Arabia and Russia... (right now our SPR only hold enough crude for a 1 month supply when full) we're going to be buying crude only from our frackers for the next 20 days to fill it to the top, then once it's full we need to keep them solvent until MBS and Putin get done with their price war... doing this will also permit the USA to buy oil low and sell it higher to help pay down our national debt. the USA govt needs to think of ways to make money other than taxing it's citizens... selling energy to our allies is a natural way to generate revenue where everyone benefits.
I have spent my entire life ignoring the extremists and propagandist......... I have always hoped and lived my life with the thoughts and ideas that everything is going to be ok, no matter what ridiculousness is being spueed by agents of hate and fear mongers.........
Having said that, I left Friday for a week in Nashville thinking the fear mongers where at it again. We were scheduled for weeks to meet for a spring break/week with my brother listening to great live music, visiting and relaxing. That lasted one day. Sunday the Mayor of Nashville ordered all of Nashville shutter, we scrambled and raced home and worried about highway travel and gas to make the 600 mile trip home. We thankfully had no problem getting home.
So I’m now on day 5 of my vacation and spent the last two days stockpiling food, ammo and gasoline.
Where I live, the wheels are coming off and I see looting just days away as our Governor of the state of PA has announced mandatory shutdown of ALL non life threatening businesses to shutter in the entire state of Pennsylvania. WTF! Are you kidding me! I Am now afraid for me and my family and preparing for the worst and praying for the best.
I hope all my efforts are for not and I can laugh about it with
@T-Bone this summer while drinking some cold ones on the porch of our cabin at Alwaki. Right now I’m on lock down with weapons loaded and freezer full.
If you told me a week ago I’d be in that position , I would have called you a fool
Strange times...that's for sure. As for sipping a beer on the porch at Alwaki...I'm all for it...but I'm not sure the things will be getting back to normal by then. I hope they are, but I'm not betting on it. My company is a leader in healthcare equipment...and all I can tell you is hospitals are gearing-up for something they've never seen and are currently not prepared for. Good for business...bad for the psyche.
I'm hoping the pharma community can come up with both a vaccine and meds to treat this virus very, very soon...or we're going to living in a world none of us are accustomed to for some time into the future.
Stay home...stay safe...and most of all try to stay healthy.
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Hey Hodgey, I hope it does not get as bad as you fear, but you never know.
here in Niagara Ont, after the initial run supplies, things are getting back to normal, or a new normal. I just went out to top up on a few things, shelves almost fully stocked again, no lineups, even went to beer store and was in and out faster then ever. Streets are empty. A lot of worried faces, but then a lot of civility and people seem very polite. We need that, it could be so easy for people to snap.
I always used my Kipawa trip as a means of looking forward and day dreaming when I got stressed, which was usually work. Seems trivial now. One of my buddies on the trip lives in Pa, another works in health department here, so in my mind our may trip is cancelled.
Anyways, take care all and hopefully we all get to kipawa sooner than later.
Quote from: Dog on March 17, 2020, 01:26:37 PMAlso I believe each country is going to be looking at how to not depend on China (and other closed societies) for their supply chains. It's hard to trust a country that covers up the start of a global pandemic
Amen Dog!
Quote from: RoK on March 20, 2020, 11:37:59 AM
I always used my Kipawa trip as a means of looking forward and day dreaming when I got stressed
I can not agree more! I have been practicing Kipawa dream therapy for the last 4-5 years and hope to continue.
Quote from: T-Bone on March 20, 2020, 09:01:03 AM
Strange times...that's for sure. As for sipping a beer on the porch at Alwaki...I'm all for it...but I'm not sure the things will be getting back to normal by then. I hope they are, but I'm not betting on it.
I am planning on it being back to some kinda normal by the end of July and you and I being able to have that beer
Quote from: T-Bone on March 20, 2020, 09:01:03 AM
I'm hoping the pharma community can come up with both a vaccine and meds to treat this virus very, very soon...
I hope they do!
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Looks like I'm going up to camp to hide out from the bug for a couple of months. My wife is gonna hunker down with her kids and camp seems the best place for me. I got lots to do there anyway. I'm heading up later this week in case they close down travel etc. Better there then the big city.
Quote from: puckster_guy on March 21, 2020, 01:09:15 PM
Looks like I'm going up to camp to hide out from the bug for a couple of months. My wife is gonna hunker down with her kids and camp seems the best place for me. I got lots to do there anyway. I'm heading up later this week in case they close down travel etc. Better there then the big city.
I think camp might be the safest place to wait this out. Make sure you have enough supplies. Safe travels Joe
Quote from: Hodgey1 on March 21, 2020, 02:13:40 PM
Quote from: puckster_guy on March 21, 2020, 01:09:15 PM
Looks like I'm going up to camp to hide out from the bug for a couple of months. My wife is gonna hunker down with her kids and camp seems the best place for me. I got lots to do there anyway. I'm heading up later this week in case they close down travel etc. Better there then the big city.
I think camp might be the safest place to wait this out. Make sure you have enough supplies. Safe travels Joe
TY Brother
That sounds like a smart move. My son and his wife left the NYC area for a cabin in VT. Be safe, Puckster and keep us informed on how your piece of Paradise is coming along.
Hello everyone,
I trust everyone is well.
I just finished watching New York state Governor Cuomo speak for almost an hour on CNN about the Coronavirus situation. IMHO, he exemplified the leadership that so far has been sorely lacking by Trump. It was both sad and troubling to hear Governor Cuomo describe the apparent lack of adherence to social distancing in his state, particularly in NYC. As a consequence, the number of new COVID-19 cases in NYC will continue to rise exponentially. Equally disturbing, as was pointed out by Governor Cuomo, is the price escalation of needed health supplies (e.g. masks, gowns, ventilators) due to bidding wars between states and other countries. It is hopeful that the use of the Defense Production Act could alleviate this situation.
Here in Ontario, IMHO, it is easy to see lots of people not taking social distancing as seriously as they should - and that potentially impacts us all. My wife and I, both in our 70s, limit our trips out of the house to those necessary to resupply. We shop during early morning openings geared towards seniors, we wear gloves while we shop and we wash our hands well after our return home. Regardless, based on information available, there's more than an even chance that one of us or both of us will become infected with this virus. As a consequence, I'm trying to be as prepared as possible for that outcome. Not every 70 year old + senior will die from a COVID-19 infection. Indeed, most will survive and we're doing our best to plan for that outcome.
Take care everyone,
Jay
Jay, My Wife Faye and I share your concern with that virus. Our lives and families lives are being affected as well. We have a grand daughter and a grand son that have had to postpone or change their wedding plans. Our grand daughter actually was married Saturday before a small number of immediate family. Sadly, Faye and I were not in attendance due to the virus. Our grandson and fiancé are postponing there wedding indefinitely.
We're in our seventies as well and we both have medical issues that would end our lives should we contract that virus. Our grown children are at our beckon call though. Daughter Becky and two grand daughters made a prescription run for me last week and it was strange for them to not actually enter the house. We talked through the closed door and picked up the prescription when they left. I felt like a caged animal in a zoo and joked to them.... "hey, when is feeding time?" To our surprise, they created a chalk drawing on our driveway. It depicted Faye and I on our pontoon boat. I was holding a fishing rod... complete with a large fish and Faye was by my side. Our two dogs were with us too. Faye got a kick out of it as they gave her red hair. She used to have an auburn hair color back in the day..... but they didn't have silver chalk.
This whole virus thing is a mess. Our country is woefully unprepared for fighting this virus. Daughter Heather works for a medical facility and they cannot get basic supplies, yet the powers that be are saying the opposite. We cannot depend on them so we'll just have to do the best we can. So all you dear friends out there, take care, and maybe say a prayer too. Hopefully we'll get through this and the world will be a better place.
C.C.
I find it amazing there are still people out there acting like nothing is amiss in their world. I've heard (as I haven't gone out there) the roads in Columbus are as busy as normal...so clearly sheltering-in-place is being ignored. The shopping areas still have people milling around shopping. Not like grocery / pharmacy, like furniture and clothing. Seriously? I just saw they had to close the streets in Washington DC because tourists were heck-bent on seeing the cherry blossom trees in bloom. Really?
I have a coffee cup at my office that says 'I don't like morning people. Or mornings. Or people.' None of it is really accurate, but the last part is becoming much, much easier. I heard a quote yesterday that "40-60 percent" of the population will get the virus at some point. I guess you just have to hope your 'case' is mild if you do.
Thanks for sharing your stories Jay and CC...you'll be in my prayers...
Ya T-Bone - I agree... my family has been in our house (other than groceries/prescriptions) for over a week now - but yet some of the groups of people I know continue their "oh well, might as well go out" attitude. Seriously stupid... and seriously disappointing.
Hope everything is ok with you and your families Jay and CC. My parents live not far (actually only about 1km from Jay if I have my math right, just on the other side of the highway) - we are supplying them just like your kids are! I am lucky, my daughter drives and has her own car and wants to go help out.
Take care guys, and everyone. Be smart.
Greg
Quote from: T-Bone on March 23, 2020, 08:25:44 AM
Thanks for sharing your stories Jay and CC...you'll be in my prayers...
I second that!
My wife and I are on day 7 of somewhat lock down and day 3 of full lock down since we are both now working from home. I am more than a little stressed. My oldest daughter is 5 months pregnant and my father that I care for is 82 and 100% dependent on my wife and I for his needs. I fear that my dad contracting even a bad cold is not good and then my daughter, who has Dr appointments and some issues related to the pregnancy. This all cant go away soon enough and I know the real storm hasn't even begun. :-\
Anyone not taking this seriously, need only see whats happening in Italy. :-\
I hope everyone here is doing their part and hopefully we can get back to looking forward to our Kipawa get aways soon!
Hey everyone, hope everyone is keeping healthy and safe.
As many on this board, we too thought this was all a little extreme when things first started (the toilet paper hoarding, the general panic etc).
But as time progressed and you look at the numbers (the infectious rates, the doubling of cases every 2-3 days) it's hard not to follow suit and realize this isn't a joking matter.
So we've been hunkering down as well.
My wife has been working mainly from home (she works in the medical industry).
The contract work I was doing (software) I've put on hold and have been taking on dad / teacher role as the kids are now out of school indefinitely.
We started our first "kids learn at home" day yesterday and that went well, ask me how it's going a month from now and I may have a different story LOL!
We're pretty well set-up here at home and have camp as a back-up.
We are still able to travel to camp (and plan to do so this weekend coming up) only because we can literally leave home and get to camp with zero human interactions.
The only stop required would be to fill up gas before we leave, in which case we can pay at the pump.
As
@Dog has mentioned a few times, this too shall pass, in the meantime, stay safe and we hope everyone is doing well.
Strange times that we live in the hospital I have worked at for 32 year shut it doors on March 19. This virus is a mess, Got a new job start April 6 ,That was the good news Now the bad former employer did not pay out 300 plus hours of pay time off , and no vacation with the new employer so no Kipawa trip this summer .this virus is no joke so stay at home .prayer for and stay safe.
Quote from: johnny walleye on March 31, 2020, 06:42:25 PM
Strange times that we live in the hospital I have worked at for 32 year shut it doors on March 19. This virus is a mess, Got a new job start April 6 ,That was the good news Now the bad former employer did not pay out 300 plus hours of pay time off , and no vacation with the new employer so no Kipawa trip this summer .this virus is no joke so stay at home .prayer for and stay safe.
That is all awful, with an extra dose of awful. I hope things improve for you J-W and for everyone else as well.
Quote from: johnny walleye on March 31, 2020, 06:42:25 PM
Strange times that we live in the hospital I have worked at for 32 year shut it doors on March 19.
Wow...that's no good. Amazing they're closing the hospital. Around here, they're looking at 're-opening' hospitals that have been out of service for years. Locally, they're setting-up our convention center to serve as 1,000 bed acute care facility in preparation for the surge of cases that are likely just in this area.
No matter what...missing a year of Kipawa is a bummer. We all may be in the same boat, unfortunately, if this carries through the summer.
My brother and I were at Ogascanon last summer after a 17 year break from Quebec that I described in introductions, now we are both retired but don't know what to plan. My wife and I have an RV rally in early June that's probably not going to happen and I've got a Navy reunion in Sept at Oklahoma City that I'm still holding hope for. Since my brother and I are retired we can make last minute plans for fishing when things get better.
US 347,000 cases, 10,335 fatalities
Canada 15,800 cases, 294 fatalities
You can't even make this sh_t up. Give me back my old concerns for a while please, like how to afford new electronics for the boat. I need a week at Alwaki worse than ever.
"Give me back my old concerns for a while please, like how to afford new electronics for the boat. I need a week at Alwaki worse than ever."
Ha ... love it. Could not agree more.
We're in a lock down here too, started as a self imposed a month ago, then it went official.
I did have plans in Oklahoma in under a month, but that trip has been canceled.
I'm not going to travel that far to Canada this year; maybe in '21 or '22.
@Hodgey1, I like:
"Give me back my old concerns for a while please, like how to afford new electronics for the boat."
We've rescheduled our trip from last week of June to 2nd week of August. Hoping things will be all cleared up by then and we'll be back to (the new) normal.
I suppose we may need to adjust our strategies, as we'll be fishing in warmer weather. I'll be checking in with the forum to see what changes we'll need to make.
Stay home and stay safe, everyone.
Deleted post because I think what I posted was public knowledge.
On the bright side, the Corona will do wonders for the fish population/ecosystem (same as how the environment is trying to recover) in coming years with less to no pressure for an entire season. In the coming years the fishing should be better than average!