We are approaching the total vaccinations given equal to 1/2 the population. Vaccinations continue to ramp up and yesterday we hit a new high at 160000 vaccinations given a day which is more then 1% of the population. That means we will be approaching herd immunity in 3 weeks which is the 2nd week of June.
Our seven day moving average of total daily infections is in the low 2000s which is less then half from our peak total.
Yes things are improving somewhat here in Canada....that being said, less than 4% of the population has been fully vaccinated as of yesterday in Canada and the USA is getting up close to 50%...IMO that is sad ! If you look at the charts of percentages vaccinated, Canada is way behind miserably ! Maybe if our PM Trudeau had procured enough vaccines sooner with Pfizer and Moderna instead of trying to procure from China (which fell through) we wouldn't be in this mess. Still in lockdown here in Ontario and questionable if our trip to Kipawa the first week of June will be happening or not. This site gives some good stats. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
Remember that the US would not allow shipment of those vaccines from US plants, we got those doses late from the EU. We are only behind the US and UK but they hoarded and a very few other countries like Israel. Vaccination wise we are in the middle of the pack.
The science indicates that one dose is enough to impact transmission rates. In a sense we are a giant science experiment
The province is opening up to bookings to everyone 30 and up this week. Everyone else the following week.
Also Doug Ford said summer Camps will be opening for July 2nd. The border opening can't be too far behind.
The Kipawa Trip is 'Summer Camp' for my group...I wonder if I can convince them the definition qualifies.... ::)
I remain cautiously optimistic for September, but believe July would be unlikely...though you just never know....
We should do a friendly pool for opening border date. I will pick July 1st. :)
March 2022
I hope sooner but I'm thinking September at earliest.
August 1st, this year!
One thing to keep in mind with this border opening.
The border closures are not based on the Ontario COVID statistics.
The border closures are based on CANADA as a whole.
Just because Ontario gets better , it doesn't govern the opening of our borders.
I know everybody wants to think positive but there is a bigger picture here to look at.
I don't want to be Negative Nancy but think reality .
Stop spreading hope .
One day at a time.
what will be, will be and if and when it happens, it will happen.
This topic is really starting to get old.
Is there nothing else to talk about???????
I would guess at Aug 15 of this year LOL
I never considered Nancy to be negative...you, on the other hand... :o. And what else it there to talk about on a bi-national fishing forum that has a fair portion of it's members locked-out of the primary header topic?
Agreed the 'opening' is a country-level decision...no idea when the border will open.
I still contend this...the approach to this in Canada is much different than in U.S. It seems whenever there is handful of cases there, people (at least as it's characterized in the media) go into "freak out" mode and start running for the bunker....or are ordered to the bunker. At least it appears that's the governments reaction. COVID clearly isn't a good thing to get, but it's not a death sentence necessarily either.
The people in the U.S. that were getting it / spreading it in the 3rd wave were the non-maskers, "I'll do what I want...no government will take my freedom" (even though they're the body that provides their freedom), young partiers that completely ignored all suggestions for masks/distancing, and so on. Eventually, the "darkest days" both got some people in line and infected the doubters. Then, the vaccines hit and things are getting better every day.
It's been asked before; why are Texas and Florida (which basically have been doing whatever they want for many weeks now) still getting "better"? Personally, lockdowns and closing things doesn't work. Didn't work here....probably won't work there.
Wear a mask. Avoid those who think they're invincible and won't get vaccinated. And get yourself vaccinated. It's really that simple.
The one thing that bothers me most about all this on the Canada side...most everything I read refers to the vaccine shot "the jab". It's a shot. Are they trying to be cute when writing about a pandemic? (I know...small point...but it still drives me nuts!).
Side Question: Did Canada ever shut-down business offices and require people that work in offices to work from home / remote? I dont' ever recall reading about it. That was Step 1A here...and is still the rule in most business that I know and deal with. Chase Bank has an office complex near me that contains over 11K people. It's been 99% vacant for over 14-months now.
Really thinking positive - June 21st
T-Bone
Yes, offices were closed and most still are.
There are a lot of people working remotely from home where possible.
Banks are open.
Fabrication plants are open.
Stores are closed
restaurants and bars are closed.
Golf courses are closed
Gyms are closed
You get the picture
Now this is Ontario. No idea what is going on in other provinces.
I don't have time to worry about them.
My only worry now is if and when the Quebec border will reopen
Hopefully something will change June 2.
You forgot...fishing lodges are also closed-off to a good portion of their market...and have been running at fractional census since the beginning. That didn't seem to change anything, so why continue?
Keep all that other BS closed for all I care (though some of it is laughable if the GOVT thinks that's going to have any meaningful effect on whether the rates go up or down)...just open up the fishing lodges...and the borders... ;)
Just want to correct a comment above.
Stores are open for on line shopping only at the moment; hardware stores are on line too but have opened...depending on the situation.
Restaurants vary from open for limited dinning to only open for take out again ....depending on the numbers.
Our family has made it a point to order take out once or twice a week since last summer to keep these guys viable.
Do what you can to stimulate the economy.
I Agree limacharley
We order pick up the odd time also but not from the big chains but from the small independent.
Help them stay alive
Huge drop in Ontario cases yesterday- 1616, the recent peak was over 4800. Things definitely headed in right direction.
Quote from: Chazz on May 18, 2021, 11:26:06 AM
Huge drop in Ontario cases yesterday- 1616, the recent peak was over 4800. Things definitely headed in right direction.
Extrapolate out a month and you are around 500 cases, possibly lower because we have both the lockdown and vaccinations biting into that total. The last time we were there was 8 months ago. Also in Canada we are looking at a 80% + vaccination rate. It's over, except for the fat lady singing. ;D
Quote from: chiaro on May 18, 2021, 11:38:29 AM
Quote from: Chazz on May 18, 2021, 11:26:06 AM
Huge drop in Ontario cases yesterday- 1616, the recent peak was over 4800. Things definitely headed in right direction.
Extrapolate out a month and you are around 500 cases, possibly lower because we have both the lockdown and vaccinations biting into that total. The last time we were there was 8 months ago. Also in Canada we are looking at a 80% + vaccination rate. It's over, except for the fat lady singing. ;D
Not too sure where you are getting your stats from but currently we are sitting at 41% vaccination rate not 80%. Saw this on Your Morning, Canada's National Newscast.
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/#a2
May 8 as per this link, we were at 38.87%
Quote from: limacharley on May 18, 2021, 11:56:18 AM
Not too sure where you are getting your stats from but currently we are sitting at 41% vaccination rate not 80%. Saw this on Your Morning, Canada's National Newscast.
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/#a2
May 8 as per this link, we were at 38.87%
-50% + of the adult population in Ontario.
-80% + of polled Canadians said they were likely to get vaccinated
And 100% of Canadians polled want to win the lottery.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-will-need-75-vaccination-before-u-s-border-reopens-trudeau-suggests/ar-BB1gS3QK?ocid=msedgntp
This is when the border will open.
Quote from: limacharley on May 18, 2021, 02:02:05 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-will-need-75-vaccination-before-u-s-border-reopens-trudeau-suggests/ar-BB1gS3QK?ocid=msedgntp
This is when the border will open.
That looks like viable intel to me....
And still doesn’t mean there won’t be caveats to said border crossing even when it does become possible.
Quote from: limacharley on May 18, 2021, 01:54:02 PM
And 100% of Canadians polled want to win the lottery.
That's a goofy response. I am reporting a fact and you seem to have difficulty with it.
Quote from: limacharley on May 18, 2021, 02:02:05 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-will-need-75-vaccination-before-u-s-border-reopens-trudeau-suggests/ar-BB1gS3QK?ocid=msedgntp
This is when the border will open.
The full copy...which some didn't make to the online edited version of the content:
"Trudeau suggests Canada will need 75% vaccination rate before the border with the U.S. is open...unless someone funnels him and his family some big bucks, then it will open immediately."
Quote from: T-Bone on May 18, 2021, 02:53:10 PM
Quote from: limacharley on May 18, 2021, 02:02:05 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-will-need-75-vaccination-before-u-s-border-reopens-trudeau-suggests/ar-BB1gS3QK?ocid=msedgntp
This is when the border will open.
The full copy...which some didn't make to the online edited version of the content:
"Trudeau suggests Canada will need 75% vaccination rate before the border with the U.S. is open...unless someone funnels him and his family some big bucks, then it will open immediately."
Yep
Border closure extended till June 21. Not surprising.
Province lifts restrictions on non-urgent surgeries; Ontario reports 1,588 new cases.
Restrictions are slowly being lifted as we consistently hit new lows from our recent peak. Meanwhile probably today the % of Canadians who have had at least one shot will exceed that total for US citizens. Canadians are still clamouring for vaccines as we continue to ramp up daily totals. Perhaps that initial scarcity was a good thing. :)
It's over.
Chiara - I like your glass half full attitude. Things are definitely headed in the right direction both up there and down here. I am really hoping border opens prior to our planned trip week of July 24th.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-reopening-plan-covid-19-third-wave-1.6033762
Three step program to opening the province with the 1st step mid June.
Yowza...from a recent high of around 4800, we have 1,446 on Sunday and 1,039 on Monday. Tell me again how lockdowns don't work??
Most of Ontario were in lockdowns since boxing day..........cases never dropped until recently. Just like last year the summer weather plays a huge role.
Quote from: Campkipawa on May 26, 2021, 07:55:28 AM
Most of Ontario were in lockdowns since boxing day..........cases never dropped until recently. Just like last year the summer weather plays a huge role.
I buy half of your argument. :D
Quote from: Campkipawa on May 26, 2021, 07:55:28 AM
Most of Ontario were in lockdowns since boxing day..........cases never dropped until recently. Just like last year the summer weather plays a huge role.
I'm sure the vaccinations are helping also.
Time will tell especially when things loosen up and the cold weather comes back in the fall.
Two more lockdowns till Christmas
The numbers are going down due to the vaccination rollout, plain and simple.
If you believe the majority of people adhered to a lockdown, you're fooling yourself.
Torontonians have been coming up here to ice fish, snowmobile and now cottage/trailer in parks.
If you're like me and have been staying put, thank you. 52% of Canadians have had their first dose.
Quote from: limacharley on May 26, 2021, 09:46:35 AM
The numbers are going down due to the vaccination rollout, plain and simple.
If you believe the majority of people adhered to a lockdown, you're fooling yourself.
Torontonians have been coming up here to ice fish, snowmobile and now cottage/trailer in parks.
If you're like me and have been staying put, thank you. 52% of Canadians have had their first dose.
The numbers are coming down sharply. We could be below a thousand this week. Ford is thinking of going into phase one earlier then planned.
It's all three: vaccines, the stay at home order, and the summer.
Quote from: chiaro on May 19, 2021, 12:06:31 PM
Province lifts restrictions on non-urgent surgeries; Ontario reports 1,588 new cases.
Restrictions are slowly being lifted as we consistently hit new lows from our recent peak. Meanwhile probably today the % of Canadians who have had at least one shot will exceed that total for US citizens. Canadians are still clamouring for vaccines as we continue to ramp up daily totals. Perhaps that initial scarcity was a good thing. :)
It's over.
Try telling that to the families of people who died of Covid (especially those in nursing home outbreaks) because Trudeau didn't get contracts to get enough vaccine earlier !! Not to mention closing the borders to incoming flights from China or other outbreak countries ! IMO the man failed miserably on both counts. But that is just my thoughts.
I am finding it very difficult to find information on just when the Ontario/Quebec border will re-open. I know camp owners are allowed currently to enter to "do maintenance" etc. Our group is in limbo as we are due to head to Alwaki from Ontario June 5...which gives us two days to prepare if we are able to go. All of us but one have had their first Covid shot. At this point we just sit and wait it out. One possibility would be that Quebec would open their border allowing us to get there and Ontario would keep our border shut....be a darn shame if we had to spend half the summer up there wouldn't it !!! ::)
btw..someone made a good point earlier about a certain percentage who will not want to get the vaccine. (we have one of those in our group) I wonder if Trudeau's 75% vaccination rate to open US border takes that into account or not?
We’re scheduled to come up on June 4th to a lodge on the lake, still no confirmation from the provincial government on border closures.
Quote from: JohnPK on May 27, 2021, 07:30:15 AM
I am finding it very difficult to find information on just when the Ontario/Quebec border will re-open. I know camp owners are allowed currently to enter to "do maintenance" etc. Our group is in limbo as we are due to head to Alwaki from Ontario June 5...which gives us two days to prepare if we are able to go. All of us but one have had their first Covid shot. At this point we just sit and wait it out. One possibility would be that Quebec would open their border allowing us to get there and Ontario would keep our border shut....be a darn shame if we had to spend half the summer up there wouldn't it !!! ::)
btw..someone made a good point earlier about a certain percentage who will not want to get the vaccine. (we have one of those in our group) I wonder if Trudeau's 75% vaccination rate to open US border takes that into account or not?
JohnPK
Camps are open but the Quebec border is not as of today.
Check with your outfitter before you go.
According to 3Seasonscamp, outfitters are only allowed to have people from two households per cabin.
I don't know about your group but our group of three have to split into two cabins.
The end on June, I believe it reverts to last years rules which were three households per cabin
Just make sure you're good to go before you go.
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 27, 2021, 07:53:24 AM
Quote from: JohnPK on May 27, 2021, 07:30:15 AM
I am finding it very difficult to find information on just when the Ontario/Quebec border will re-open. I know camp owners are allowed currently to enter to "do maintenance" etc. Our group is in limbo as we are due to head to Alwaki from Ontario June 5...which gives us two days to prepare if we are able to go. All of us but one have had their first Covid shot. At this point we just sit and wait it out. One possibility would be that Quebec would open their border allowing us to get there and Ontario would keep our border shut....be a darn shame if we had to spend half the summer up there wouldn't it !!! ::)
btw..someone made a good point earlier about a certain percentage who will not want to get the vaccine. (we have one of those in our group) I wonder if Trudeau's 75% vaccination rate to open US border takes that into account or not?
JohnPK
Camps are open but the Quebec border is not as of today.
Check with your outfitter before you go.
According to 3Seasonscamp, outfitters are only allowed to have people from two households per cabin.
I don't know about your group but our group of three have to split into two cabins.
The end on June, I believe it reverts to last years rules which were three households per cabin
Just make sure you're good to go before you go.
Hi Rhybak...thanks for that information. We have talked to Brian at Alwaki and yes he has us set up with no more than 2 guys per cabin as per the rules. One more question. Someone in our group this morning called to say he couldn't go as he believes that once you return to Ontario (if the border does open up come next Wed.) you need to self quarantine for two weeks, which he can't do as he works. Do you know if that is correct or not? I thought that was just if you came from another country?
Forgot to mention in my last post that obviously we will only be going if the Provincal border opens up, and if so, it is very unlikely that Ontario would open the border and still require self quarantine for two weeks upon return.
JohnPK, we are also going to Alwaki next weekend from Ontario. We usually go up for the opening weekend. Have you been up at this time in June before? Do you know what depth of water we should be fishing at with this warm weather?
Quote from: nfc30 on May 27, 2021, 08:54:37 AM
JohnPK, we are also going to Alwaki next weekend from Ontario. We usually go up for the opening weekend. Have you been up at this time in June before? Do you know what depth of water we should be fishing at with this warm weather?
I sent you a pm nfc but in case you didn't see it, we generally find the walleye in about 18 feet...give or take 5 feet, sometimes they are in very shallow in the morning or evening also. If I mark fish, we anchor and catch fish, if I don't mark fish in our "go to spots" I move around the area until I mark or move to another location.
Some decent news, and a ray of hope for us 'July' immigrants...
https://ca.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/canada-border-changes-could-come-soon-dr-theresa-tam.html
That is a ray of hope. I'm keeping positive thoughts. Thanks for posting that, T-Bone.
Quote from: T-Bone on May 27, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
Some decent news, and a ray of hope for us 'July' immigrants...
https://ca.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/canada-border-changes-could-come-soon-dr-theresa-tam.html
Yah , well you better tell Mattie to Getty-up....Tic-Toc time is running out
Get Vaccinated
Quote from: T-Bone on May 27, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
Some decent news, and a ray of hope for us 'July' immigrants...
https://ca.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/canada-border-changes-could-come-soon-dr-theresa-tam.html
"...changes could include a relaxation of quarantine rules as well as special permission to enter Canada for visitors or residents with proof of two vaccinations.
Tam said factors such as case rates, hospital capacity and vaccination percentages in Canada (which are rising quickly) will need to be considered".
Manitoba is mess. Ontario is doing great, relatively speaking. Most of the new cases are in the greater Toronto area where they are doing extra vaccinations. It's just going to be a never ending stream of good news this summer and I'm not negative on the winter either as we are buying booster shots for the winter.
It sounds like the Canadian gov is considering the vaccine passports. If you haven't got yours remember that you need to wait a month for the second one for it to be most effective.
Quote from: RHYBAK on May 27, 2021, 03:39:08 PM
Yah , well you better tell Mattie to Getty-up....Tic-Toc time is running out
Get Vaccinated
Just talked to him...he's on board. I told him no later than June 15th to start....5-6-weeks from start to "fully" vaccinated. Mine was 5-weeks as I had 3-weeks between my first two shots. Some are 4-weeks apart.
Great news regarding border opening hopefully sooner than later. Just hoping border to Quebec opens before June 5th or our group is screwed ! I got my first Pfizer on April 23 and they booked me on the spot for my second...AUG. 23 !! Sure hoping that might be moved up !
1033 new cases in Ontario, the lowest since Feb. 24th.
R Value 0.77. BELOW 0.8!
Quote from: JohnPK on May 27, 2021, 06:10:03 PM
Great news regarding border opening hopefully sooner than later. Just hoping border to Quebec opens before June 5th or our group is screwed ! I got my first Pfizer on April 23 and they booked me on the spot for my second...AUG. 23 !! Sure hoping that might be moved up !
what is plan B?
looks like it's closed
PLan B was to rebook for July 10....we have never fished around that time so any advice as to depth would be appreciated. In early June we find the eyes mostly in 5-25 fow....hopefully they won't be much deeper than that come July.
No water temp. won't fluctuate that much. We always have a week at Alwaki start of July and are in the 20ish ftw.
I think most of July and August would be 10-25 FOW
It's not till the lake turns in September that you get 25-35FOW
My opinion
I agree, end of July my wife and I go up for our anniversary and fish the same.
Thanks for the replies everyone. So looks like our go to spots will work, just maybe a bit deeper than we usually fish in early June.
Awww guys, my heart bleeds for you, pop a few more tops, clean-up a little longer, it's all in the Kipawa tradition.
The Captain.
Things getting better. Lowest number of cases in approx 8 months - 663
Quote from: Chazz on June 06, 2021, 11:21:25 AM
Things getting better. Lowest number of cases in approx 8 months - 663
Seven day rolling average is now 844. It was 4326 on April 22nd.
Premier has hinted at starting Phase 1 earlier then June 14th. I would be shocked if we don't go into phase 1 by the 14th. Phase 2 should happen 21 days later, if not earlier. Canadians are still very eager for vaccines and there is no reason that numbers shouldn't continue to fall even with the variants. In the states #s continue to fall even with packed stadiums and slowed vaccination rates. Probably the Premier is being over cautious and that should become obvious after we are in Phase 1 and #'s still fall.
...and we are out of the stay at home order 3 days early into phase 1. Phase 1 starts friday. We blew past the criteria to open a while ago. This means we will get to phase 2 earlier then expected near the end of June. Again we may shrink the 21 days between phases if we meet the criteria early.
296 cases yesterday! Amazing and one of the top countries in the world for 1st vaccine rates!
Quote from: chiaro on June 16, 2021, 08:33:19 AM296 cases yesterday! Amazing and one of the top countries in the world for 1st vaccine rates!
However, only a little over 14% of the population has been fully vaccinated (56th by country ranking).
Consequently, I don't support patting ourselves on the back for being near the top of the list for first doses. Indeed, the only way that was accomplished was to delay second doses to residents by 16 weeks (only country in the world to do so).
Jay
Quote from: Jay Thomas on June 16, 2021, 02:54:37 PM
Quote from: chiaro on June 16, 2021, 08:33:19 AM296 cases yesterday! Amazing and one of the top countries in the world for 1st vaccine rates!
However, only a little over 14% of the population has been fully vaccinated (56th by country ranking).
Consequently, I don't support patting ourselves on the back for being near the top of the list for first doses. Indeed, the only way that was accomplished was to delay second doses to residents by 16 weeks (only country in the world to do so).
Jay
Proof is in the pudding and the pudding is lookin good! Compare us to say England, that 1st dose to all is looking smarter by the day.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=ontario+covid+cases
As predicted we are following the states lead.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/06/government-of-canadas-first-phase-to-easing-border-measures-for-travellers-entering-canada3.html
It's a start
Thanks Chazz. That very same program may not be rolled over to us “non-essentials†in the future, but gives possible ideas.
Such as ArriveCAN. I have no clue what that’s about. But in coming evenings or weekends and have some time to kill, I’ll probably navigate thru it to an extent. Just to be familiar.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/22/trudeau-canada-us-border-coronavirus-495567
Somewhat encouraging news
We are entering stage 2 two days early. There is an outbreak in Waterloo of the delta variant. Ironically they got less vaccines. Ontario has already met it's targets for vaccination for stage 3. Someone on this board said it couldn't be done. DONE! Really they want to wait a few weeks and see if indoor dining and shopping makes a difference. The worry is the delta variant. Likely not an issue for the partially vaccinated.
The border is the last hurdle. Things are looking very promising.
I wouldn't worry about indoor dining, if there is not an outbreak in Montreal this weekend and early next week from the amount of people outside the bell center last night I would be surprised.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/25/july-21-us-canada-border-496415
This is interesting and hopefully pans out
Below 200 cases
77% have dose #1,
40 % dose #2
3rd wave has plummeted. So far activity and delta variant in stage 1 had no impact whatsoever.
They are going to go to stage 3 ahead of time and the last hurdle is the border.
All systems go. Ontario is approaching 80% with first vaccination and + 50% with a double jabs. Stage 3 starts tomorrow. No uptick in cases during stage 2. The goal of the end of stages is 70/80 in 21 days and that looks doable. Canada is now approaching countries with the highest vaccination rates. Hesitancy isn't so much an issue as in the US or UK.
Tourist operators are demanding an opening. It's what we saw prior to stage 2 where businesses wanted limited indoor shopping and then later got it. Meanwhile in the states cases are rising again. The solution has to be a vaccine passport of some sorts. A time is coming soon where all Canadians will have had the opportunity for 2 jabs.
If vaccination rates reach targets and infection rates stay low the Prime Minister said borders could be open mid August.
You should know better than to believe anything that narcissistic lying piece of crap says.
Oh I believe him. He's a self serving weasel for sure but there is no upside to promising border openings and then taking it away without cause.
I heard this on the radio on the US side today as well. Fully vaccinated US citizens possibly able to cross the border by mid- August.
...and it happened...yesterday Canada surpassed the US in both single and double vaccination rates. Demand for the second jab is still strong while that for the single jab is flatlining.